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The Fury said:
Wonktonodi said:

Did you have the kid to save yourself in origins? Did your main character go through the ritual in the temple in this game? The binding yourself to flemeth?  Because my ending had solas leave but the rest was unknown, there was no interaction with flemeth

First had kid and Morrigan drank well. Second I drank well but no kid. Both times I met Flemeth. I didn't think there was any chance you couldn't meet her. 

Darc Requiem said:


Abelas bares the Vallasin of Mythal. They spent over a millenia guarding the temple. Whatever of you think of Solas it proves his statements on Vallasin true. All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the next "big bad" in the DA universe. Speaking of Elven Gods,  Solas most likely isn't the only one either. He tells Abelas as much in the Temple of Mythal.

Don't care if he is right. He's stuck in the past, what he is claiming is that Abelas is a slave to Mythal basically but he seems far more important than that, yet he stays out of duty and respect. In the end he can be convinced to leave, so it's not like he's being kept their against his will either. Solas doesn't seem to accept that times have changed, just like people in the real world take offensive words 'back' to be part of their culture, these Vallasin are no different. Sure they may no longer be used for their original purpose but that doesn't mean they should be discreditted and seen as bad when the Dalish do it out of respect and admiration for their gods.

 

And on the latter, I hope not. I personally would hope for less about the secret lore of the DA world and I'd like just a game set in the DA world. If Inquisition had too much of anything it's secret lore being changed, messed around with or even mentioned. People who played the game also seem to oddly take both Coryface and Solas words as absolute truths when they can't be trusted. I like the gameplay and the setting. 

That's incorrect. It's deductive reasoning. It the case with Corypheus. When you find him in DA2, when is he is in a confused stupor he makes his statement about the Golden City. He just reinterates it in DA:I.  With Solas it's about comparing what he says, with the lore found, and what actually happens. Part of the reason I like the DA universe so much is that unlike Mass Effect. The lore is consistent. When Merril meets Flemeth in DA, she refers to Elves as "The People".  The DA team clearly has an overall plan for the narrative. I wish the Mass Effect team would have had the same fore thought. 



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Darc Requiem said:

That's incorrect. It's deductive reasoning. It the case with Corypheus. When you find him in DA2, when is he is in a confused stupor he makes his statement about the Golden City. He just reinterates it in DA:I.  With Solas it's about comparing what he says, with the lore found, and what actually happens. Part of the reason I like the DA universe so much is that unlike Mass Effect. The lore is consistent. When Merril meets Flemeth in DA, she refers to Elves as "The People".  The DA team clearly has an overall plan for the narrative. I wish the Mass Effect team would have had the same fore thought. 


To be fair, Dragon Age Origins was over 5 years in the making and a large chunk of that time was spent on developing the lore by older Bioware staff. I don't think Mass Effect could afford the same amount of time devoted to it.



The Fury said:
Wonktonodi said:

Did you have the kid to save yourself in origins? Did your main character go through the ritual in the temple in this game? The binding yourself to flemeth?  Because my ending had solas leave but the rest was unknown, there was no interaction with flemeth

First had kid and Morrigan drank well. Second I drank well but no kid. Both times I met Flemeth. I didn't think there was any chance you couldn't meet her. 

Darc Requiem said:


Abelas bares the Vallasin of Mythal. They spent over a millenia guarding the temple. Whatever of you think of Solas it proves his statements on Vallasin true. All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the next "big bad" in the DA universe. Speaking of Elven Gods,  Solas most likely isn't the only one either. He tells Abelas as much in the Temple of Mythal.

Don't care if he is right. He's stuck in the past, what he is claiming is that Abelas is a slave to Mythal basically but he seems far more important than that, yet he stays out of duty and respect. In the end he can be convinced to leave, so it's not like he's being kept their against his will either. Solas doesn't seem to accept that times have changed, just like people in the real world take offensive words 'back' to be part of their culture, these Vallasin are no different. Sure they may no longer be used for their original purpose but that doesn't mean they should be discreditted and seen as bad when the Dalish do it out of respect and admiration for their gods.

 

And on the latter, I hope not. I personally would hope for less about the secret lore of the DA world and I'd like just a game set in the DA world. If Inquisition had too much of anything it's secret lore being changed, messed around with or even mentioned. People who played the game also seem to oddly take both Coryface and Solas words as absolute truths when they can't be trusted. I like the gameplay and the setting. 

I mean there was no interaction between her and Solas in my ending :(



Oh, I should have posted this as well....

Regarding Solas, I like and dislike him at the same time. He's an intriguing character. He's intelligent yet arrogant. This gives him a unique perspective on things. This makes him more perceptive on somethings spirits but outright racists when it comes to non-Elven people. I don't think it's so much him living in the past as much as living away from people. He spends most of his time in the fade and as an apostate, he can't exactly spend his time in large groups of people. I disagree with that the lore is beiing changed. Dalish lore is pieced together from sparse records centuries after the fact and is often passed along verbally. That doesn't lend it self to accuracy.



S.T.A.G.E. said:


 I just hope Flemeth doesn't break the seal and allow the gods to come back. Remember Corypheus never died, he was just sent into the fade and I believe the gods are there as well.

Aren't the Old Gods/Archdemons just the Elven Gods?



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noname2200 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


 I just hope Flemeth doesn't break the seal and allow the gods to come back. Remember Corypheus never died, he was just sent into the fade and I believe the gods are there as well.

Aren't the Old Gods/Archdemons just the Elven Gods?


Well speculation is that they are the Forgotten Ones. The "evil" Elven Gods.



Scoobes said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Scoobes said:
You realise Solas isn't just a mage or an elf?

He's something far more powerful. He's effectively an elven god.


I understand, but thats why I am so surprised at how much power he hid from everyone. He played the role of a cub when in truth he was a freaking lion. I am just saying that even though he turned out to be more than a mage he posed as one no different than Anders in the last game who went rogue. Next game I am going to be very, very cautious of mages all the way from Tevinter to the newly established college. The only mages I might give the benefit of the doubt to are circle mages and even then i will still be on my toes about how I deal with them.

The difference is that Anders went mad due to the circumstances in Kirkwall. He never hid how he felt and I didn't think it was a big shock when he did what he did (maybe the scale).

Solas was never mad. He always had an ulterior motive and to be honest, I don't think it was neccessarily all bad. There are actually a lot of hints to Solas being far more than he lets on. He's always quite distant, always seems to be sad or regretting something in the past that he keeps well hidden and if you put him in your party with Cole, you often get a lot of hints that there is something major in Solas' past.

Whilst he's hidden a lot from the player, I don't think that it's for nefarious purposes. Spoiler/theory alert:

If you read up on the lore it's apparent that the Dread Wolf/Solas sealed the other elven gods away, with the exception of Mythal/Flemeth. This then lead to a weakened elven race which was ripe for Tevinter to come in and enslave them. This in turn has lead to the current state of elves being perceived as second class citizens and forced into alienages. I think Solas/Dread Wolf sealed the other gods away for good reason. The elves were warring with each other at this point (at least from what I can remember). But his actions had unforseen circumstances that he's now trying to put right.

Strangely, the lore also states that the Dread Wolf betrayed Mythal, yet in the ending they seem to be old friends. Earlier in the game, Flemeth also states to Morrigan that spirit/body transfer can only occur when both parties are willing participants, so the question remains, what has happened between Solas and Flemeth?

Either way, I think it's a great twist and the general story/lore of Dragon Age has really been expanded upon since the generic fantasy storyline depicted in Origins. I can't wait to see how this will be expanded upon.


Yes, I did gather an  ominous feeling from Solas. I was almost apprehensive about talking to him sometimes. The lack of emotion in him and the distant conversations. The self loathing and my constant need to cheer him up about his situation. When I play dragonage seldom do I make bad decisions, because I am generally an optimist and don't want to lose favor with anyone unless I cannot stand them. 

Can't wait for the next game. I'm so psyched for the Witcher. Thank goodness i'll get a two month break before it launches! heh



Darc Requiem said:

That's incorrect. It's deductive reasoning. It the case with Corypheus. When you find him in DA2, when is he is in a confused stupor he makes his statement about the Golden City. He just reinterates it in DA:I.  With Solas it's about comparing what he says, with the lore found, and what actually happens. Part of the reason I like the DA universe so much is that unlike Mass Effect. The lore is consistent. When Merril meets Flemeth in DA, she refers to Elves as "The People".  The DA team clearly has an overall plan for the narrative. I wish the Mass Effect team would have had the same fore thought. 

No quite but I get you. My example of people taking their words as truths are mainly revolved around 2 incidents, Coryface breeching the Golden City and The Maker's existance, and then the destruction of Arlathan. Most accept that Coryface invaded the Golden City and started the Blight but when Coryface says the city was already Black and the seat (of the gods, plural) was empty, people then claim that this must be the case so The Maker doesn't exist. This is nonsense. Why would anyone think that? Because some corrupted human thought he saw certain things? Nice trust worth source there. The lore goes that the Golden City is the Maker's home, Old Gods talked Cory and his pals into invading it. Their punishment was the Blight. There is no reason to think otherwise, do people really think that Cory can comprehend the workings of The Maker, equivilent of God in Thedas? The Golden City could have turned black in a way Cory could never comprehend. Also, if the Golden City was already Black then why was that not visible before he entered? It's black now from the fade, it would have been black then too. Surely when the Old Gods said "Go into the Golden City." some of these Magisters would have thought "But it's not Golden."

Also, the Arlathan thing, I'm fine with believing the Elves fought themselves but claims Tevinter didn't destroy Arlathan is silly also. Tevinter were there too and unless Arlathan's destruction at the hands of someone else also happened at the oddly exact same moment that Tevinter was doing horrible blood magic to destory it, I'll take Tevinter's word on it.



Hmm, pie.

Darc Requiem said:
noname2200 said:

Aren't the Old Gods/Archdemons just the Elven Gods?


Well speculation is that they are the Forgotten Ones. The "evil" Elven Gods.

Okay so not Bioware changing the lore but fans changing it. Things like this are what I don't like. But this is me being picky, I really do think unless the game series goes on for another 15 years, we will never find out the truth because it would ruin the game series overall.



Hmm, pie.

noname2200 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


 I just hope Flemeth doesn't break the seal and allow the gods to come back. Remember Corypheus never died, he was just sent into the fade and I believe the gods are there as well.

Aren't the Old Gods/Archdemons just the Elven Gods?


I must've missed that somewhere. Do you have a source for that part of the lore? I mean I know about the old gods but I thought there were more than just Elven gods.