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The Fury on 22 February 2015
Wonktonodi said:
Having played as mages in all Dragon age games I disapprove. Also my story with solas was different. He just left, I didn't get more than that since flemeth got the old gods soul from morigans son.

Have you completed the game yet? There is an extra scene at the end of the credits.



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The Fury on 22 February 2015
Darc Requiem said:

In DAI, it's stated by Solas and Abelas that the Dalish got a lot of the lore wrong. Abelas tells you that Tevinter didn't destroy Arlathan. The "Sentinel Elves" are the Elves old, they know what happened. The Dalish have gotten a lot of the lore wrong. The Vallasin that they take pride in, was actually the mark given to slaves by the Ancient Elves. The elves destroyed themselves. It's heavily implied that the Elven Gods were warring amongst themselves and that Solas sealed them away to protect his people from the fallout. It's also implied, by Corypheus, that the Maker was already gone and the Golden City was already corrupted when the Magisters physically breached the Fade. They essentially released the corruption that had been sealed away. The Maker and Elven Gods likely have some sort of connection. 

Elves, regardless of what they might have been and the Dalish got wrong are still far more trustworthy than Solas. The liar bent the truth to help himself, cares little for other people, including the elves, and was trying to fix his mistakes. He can claim the tattoos are for that reason but who cares, it's a matter of what they mean now. He is left in the past and the world has moved on. You get the chance in game to convince Abelas of this, yet Solas takes none of it to heart.



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The Fury on 22 February 2015

On topic, nothing to do with Mages. Just a select few idiots, the problem is that the mages in game have easy access to power and some choose to use it. Anders betrayed the player's trust for little gain or without good reason. Solas is a liar and lied his way to trusting people and trying to fix his own mistakes. It's a shame I couldn't get rid of him from my party as I would have.

Solas' views on nearly everything was wrong and he showed little care about other people's of Thedas.



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Wonktonodi on 22 February 2015
The Fury said:
Wonktonodi said:
Having played as mages in all Dragon age games I disapprove. Also my story with solas was different. He just left, I didn't get more than that since flemeth got the old gods soul from morigans son.

Have you completed the game yet? There is an extra scene at the end of the credits.

I didn't see it. Are you sure it's always there and doesn't go away because of some choices in the game/ previous games? 



The Fury on 22 February 2015
Wonktonodi said:
The Fury said:
Wonktonodi said:
Having played as mages in all Dragon age games I disapprove. Also my story with solas was different. He just left, I didn't get more than that since flemeth got the old gods soul from morigans son.

Have you completed the game yet? There is an extra scene at the end of the credits.

I didn't see it. Are you sure it's always there and doesn't go away because of some choices in the game/ previous games? 

Pretty sure. Okay so I've only done it twice, first time Solas was not my friend, second he was. Both times happened the same.



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Scoobes on 22 February 2015
Darc Requiem said:
Scoobes said:

The difference is that Anders went mad due to the circumstances in Kirkwall. He never hid how he felt and I didn't think it was a big shock when he did what he did (maybe the scale).

Solas was never mad. He always had an ulterior motive and to be honest, I don't think it was neccessarily all bad. There are actually a lot of hints to Solas being far more than he lets on. He's always quite distant, always seems to be sad or regretting something in the past that he keeps well hidden and if you put him in your party with Cole, you often get a lot of hints that there is something major in Solas' past.

Whilst he's hidden a lot from the player, I don't think that it's for nefarious purposes. Spoiler/theory alert:

If you read up on the lore it's apparent that the Dread Wolf/Solas sealed the other elven gods away, with the exception of Mythal/Flemeth. This then lead to a weakened elven race which was ripe for Tevinter to come in and enslave them. This in turn has lead to the current state of elves being perceived as second class citizens and forced into alienages. I think Solas/Dread Wolf sealed the other gods away for good reason. The elves were warring with each other at this point (at least from what I can remember). But his actions had unforseen circumstances that he's now trying to put right.

Strangely, the lore also states that the Dread Wolf betrayed Mythal, yet in the ending they seem to be old friends. Earlier in the game, Flemeth also states to Morrigan that spirit/body transfer can only occur when both parties are willing participants, so the question remains, what has happened between Solas and Flemeth?

Either way, I think it's a great twist and the general story/lore of Dragon Age has really been expanded upon since the generic fantasy storyline depicted in Origins. I can't wait to see how this will be expanded upon.


In DAI, it's stated by Solas and Abelas that the Dalish got a lot of the lore wrong. Abelas tells you that Tevinter didn't destroy Arlathan. The "Sentinel Elves" are the Elves old, they know what happened. The Dalish have gotten a lot of the lore wrong. The Vallasin that they take pride in, was actually the mark given to slaves by the Ancient Elves. The elves destroyed themselves. It's heavily implied that the Elven Gods were warring amongst themselves and that Solas sealed them away to protect his people from the fallout. It's also implied, by Corypheus, that the Maker was already gone and the Golden City was already corrupted when the Magisters physically breached the Fade. They essentially released the corruption that had been sealed away. The Maker and Elven Gods likely have some sort of connection. 

I was talking about after the Elven wars. So essentially, Solas sealed them away because of their warring with each other, but in so doing, it further weakened the elves so Tevinter could practically stroll right in. So yes, the elves essentially destroyed themselves, but Solas' actions are what allowed Tevinter and the humans to take over.




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Wonktonodi on 22 February 2015
The Fury said:
Wonktonodi said:
The Fury said:
Wonktonodi said:
Having played as mages in all Dragon age games I disapprove. Also my story with solas was different. He just left, I didn't get more than that since flemeth got the old gods soul from morigans son.

Have you completed the game yet? There is an extra scene at the end of the credits.

I didn't see it. Are you sure it's always there and doesn't go away because of some choices in the game/ previous games? 

Pretty sure. Okay so I've only done it twice, first time Solas was not my friend, second he was. Both times happened the same.


Did you have the kid to save yourself in origins? Did your main character go through the ritual in the temple in this game? The binding yourself to flemeth?  Because my ending had solas leave but the rest was unknown, there was no interaction with flemeth



Darc Requiem on 22 February 2015
The Fury said:
Darc Requiem said:

In DAI, it's stated by Solas and Abelas that the Dalish got a lot of the lore wrong. Abelas tells you that Tevinter didn't destroy Arlathan. The "Sentinel Elves" are the Elves old, they know what happened. The Dalish have gotten a lot of the lore wrong. The Vallasin that they take pride in, was actually the mark given to slaves by the Ancient Elves. The elves destroyed themselves. It's heavily implied that the Elven Gods were warring amongst themselves and that Solas sealed them away to protect his people from the fallout. It's also implied, by Corypheus, that the Maker was already gone and the Golden City was already corrupted when the Magisters physically breached the Fade. They essentially released the corruption that had been sealed away. The Maker and Elven Gods likely have some sort of connection. 

Elves, regardless of what they might have been and the Dalish got wrong are still far more trustworthy than Solas. The liar bent the truth to help himself, cares little for other people, including the elves, and was trying to fix his mistakes. He can claim the tattoos are for that reason but who cares, it's a matter of what they mean now. He is left in the past and the world has moved on. You get the chance in game to convince Abelas of this, yet Solas takes none of it to heart.


Abelas bares the Vallasin of Mythal. They spent over a millenia guarding the temple. Whatever of you think of Solas it proves his statements on Vallasin true. All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the next "big bad" in the DA universe. Speaking of Elven Gods,  Solas most likely isn't the only one either. He tells Abelas as much in the Temple of Mythal.



Darc Requiem on 22 February 2015
Scoobes said:
Darc Requiem said:
Scoobes said:

The difference is that Anders went mad due to the circumstances in Kirkwall. He never hid how he felt and I didn't think it was a big shock when he did what he did (maybe the scale).

Solas was never mad. He always had an ulterior motive and to be honest, I don't think it was neccessarily all bad. There are actually a lot of hints to Solas being far more than he lets on. He's always quite distant, always seems to be sad or regretting something in the past that he keeps well hidden and if you put him in your party with Cole, you often get a lot of hints that there is something major in Solas' past.

Whilst he's hidden a lot from the player, I don't think that it's for nefarious purposes. Spoiler/theory alert:

If you read up on the lore it's apparent that the Dread Wolf/Solas sealed the other elven gods away, with the exception of Mythal/Flemeth. This then lead to a weakened elven race which was ripe for Tevinter to come in and enslave them. This in turn has lead to the current state of elves being perceived as second class citizens and forced into alienages. I think Solas/Dread Wolf sealed the other gods away for good reason. The elves were warring with each other at this point (at least from what I can remember). But his actions had unforseen circumstances that he's now trying to put right.

Strangely, the lore also states that the Dread Wolf betrayed Mythal, yet in the ending they seem to be old friends. Earlier in the game, Flemeth also states to Morrigan that spirit/body transfer can only occur when both parties are willing participants, so the question remains, what has happened between Solas and Flemeth?

Either way, I think it's a great twist and the general story/lore of Dragon Age has really been expanded upon since the generic fantasy storyline depicted in Origins. I can't wait to see how this will be expanded upon.


In DAI, it's stated by Solas and Abelas that the Dalish got a lot of the lore wrong. Abelas tells you that Tevinter didn't destroy Arlathan. The "Sentinel Elves" are the Elves old, they know what happened. The Dalish have gotten a lot of the lore wrong. The Vallasin that they take pride in, was actually the mark given to slaves by the Ancient Elves. The elves destroyed themselves. It's heavily implied that the Elven Gods were warring amongst themselves and that Solas sealed them away to protect his people from the fallout. It's also implied, by Corypheus, that the Maker was already gone and the Golden City was already corrupted when the Magisters physically breached the Fade. They essentially released the corruption that had been sealed away. The Maker and Elven Gods likely have some sort of connection. 

I was talking about after the Elven wars. So essentially, Solas sealed them away because of their warring with each other, but in so doing, it further weakened the elves so Tevinter could practically stroll right in. So yes, the elves essentially destroyed themselves, but Solas' actions are what allowed Tevinter and the humans to take over.

It would have mattered. If he hadn't sealed them away. There wouldn't have been any elves to conquer. 



The Fury on 23 February 2015
Wonktonodi said:

Did you have the kid to save yourself in origins? Did your main character go through the ritual in the temple in this game? The binding yourself to flemeth?  Because my ending had solas leave but the rest was unknown, there was no interaction with flemeth

First had kid and Morrigan drank well. Second I drank well but no kid. Both times I met Flemeth. I didn't think there was any chance you couldn't meet her. 

Darc Requiem said:


Abelas bares the Vallasin of Mythal. They spent over a millenia guarding the temple. Whatever of you think of Solas it proves his statements on Vallasin true. All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if he is the next "big bad" in the DA universe. Speaking of Elven Gods,  Solas most likely isn't the only one either. He tells Abelas as much in the Temple of Mythal.

Don't care if he is right. He's stuck in the past, what he is claiming is that Abelas is a slave to Mythal basically but he seems far more important than that, yet he stays out of duty and respect. In the end he can be convinced to leave, so it's not like he's being kept their against his will either. Solas doesn't seem to accept that times have changed, just like people in the real world take offensive words 'back' to be part of their culture, these Vallasin are no different. Sure they may no longer be used for their original purpose but that doesn't mean they should be discreditted and seen as bad when the Dalish do it out of respect and admiration for their gods.

 

And on the latter, I hope not. I personally would hope for less about the secret lore of the DA world and I'd like just a game set in the DA world. If Inquisition had too much of anything it's secret lore being changed, messed around with or even mentioned. People who played the game also seem to oddly take both Coryface and Solas words as absolute truths when they can't be trusted. I like the gameplay and the setting. 



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