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Samus Aran on 06 February 2015
Soundwave said:

DSi XL was the last DS revision and that was basically a year before the 3DS launched. And Nintendo promised exclusive games for the DSi too, lol, that went nowhere. 

It's not like the New 3DS ceases to exist the moment the new handheld comes out anyway, Nintendo needs the New 3DS as the 3DS will have to be stocked through 2018 most likely.

5+ years for the 3DS as the primary Nintendo handheld is more than enough too especially considering its sales/year rate was lower than the DS or even Game Boy Advance. 

DS got 6 years but it deserved the 6 years because it sold 150 million, not the 70-75 million the 3DS is on pace for, and even there Nintendo wanted to launch 3DS in holiday 2010 but just didn't have enough software ready to go. 

GBA sold like a beast...



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LipeJJ on 06 February 2015

Yeah, he's right. Remakes and small titles make sense on a portable like the 3DS. It could help carrying it on its last 2 or 3 years. I mean, most of their big titles were already released on the 3DS, so it's a gold alternative instead of having nothing or getting more sequels (it's better for them to hold these sequels for their next portable and have these games ready earlier on the system lifespan, I believe).



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binary solo on 07 February 2015
Samus Aran said:
binary solo said:
Seems we've hit that point in the life of an entertainment sector where ideas are not so fresh or frequent and we start seeing a large number of remakes. Movies go through periods of it, TV does it. It's all part of the cycle.

Still it's time for everyone to get off their high horse about other console's remakes and accept them as a reality of an industry that gets to a certain stage of development.

Some remakes are good, some are not. Nintendo's remakes are a step up compared to the rest. Metroid: Zero Mission is the best remake ever made.

State the obvious as if it is some sort of meaningful statement. This being undeniably true does not in any way negate what I said.



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Samus Aran on 07 February 2015
binary solo said:
Samus Aran said:
binary solo said:
Seems we've hit that point in the life of an entertainment sector where ideas are not so fresh or frequent and we start seeing a large number of remakes. Movies go through periods of it, TV does it. It's all part of the cycle.

Still it's time for everyone to get off their high horse about other console's remakes and accept them as a reality of an industry that gets to a certain stage of development.

Some remakes are good, some are not. Nintendo's remakes are a step up compared to the rest. Metroid: Zero Mission is the best remake ever made.

State the obvious as if it is some sort of meaningful statement. This being undeniably true does not in any way negate what I said.

Most remakes fall into the latter category. ;) Nintendo remakes almost always into the first.



Nem on 07 February 2015

I still think everone is trying to kill off the 3DS and Wii U way too early. Think about the software development cycles. They cant just release one round of games before remakingall the tools all over again.
I think both the 3DS and Wii U will see another round of first party software before exiting the stage. I guess it is possible that Nintendo development is now focused on the new portable to come out in a year or two, but i find it unlikely. What makes sense to me is that in 2015 and 2016 the new wave of software for current consoles will release and no new systems will release wich will maximise profits. Possibly production of current models will slow down for the release of a new system in late 2017 where the next wave of software will start beeing ready.



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Samus Aran on 07 February 2015
Nem said:
I still think everone is trying to kill off the 3DS and Wii U way too early. Think about the software development cycles. They cant just release one round of games before remakingall the tools all over again.
I think both the 3DS and Wii U will see another round of first party software before exiting the stage. I guess it is possible that Nintendo development is now focused on the new portable to come out in a year or two, but i find it unlikely. What makes sense to me is that in 2015 and 2016 the new wave of software for current consoles will release and no new systems will release wich will maximise profits. Possibly production of current models will slow down for the release of a new system in late 2017 where the next wave of software will start beeing ready.

GBA sold better and was killed off earlier.



Soundwave on 07 February 2015
Nem said:
I still think everone is trying to kill off the 3DS and Wii U way too early. Think about the software development cycles. They cant just release one round of games before remakingall the tools all over again.
I think both the 3DS and Wii U will see another round of first party software before exiting the stage. I guess it is possible that Nintendo development is now focused on the new portable to come out in a year or two, but i find it unlikely. What makes sense to me is that in 2015 and 2016 the new wave of software for current consoles will release and no new systems will release wich will maximise profits. Possibly production of current models will slow down for the release of a new system in late 2017 where the next wave of software will start beeing ready.


Nintendo is suffering now because in part they took too long to release the Wii and DS successors, both of those should have launched at least a year earlier.

Nintendo likely already has synced their dev cycles up so that this launch window for the next handheld is 100% their internal priority right now. Your mistake is thinking Nintendo is making these decisions off the cuff, IMO they had 2016 earmarked all along as a transition year. 

Iwata even said last year that they were going to "redefine" video games and that would take roughly 2 years to bring to market (add two years to 2014 and you get ... ?). 

Wii U and 3DS will ride out with what they've got. You can't say Nintendo didn't support both pretty darn well all things considered. 

No chance in hell Nintendo can sniff $800 million in profit for fiscal year ending 2017 with a declining 3DS and the Wii U which is a dud all around. 

There's no way they can hit that number (or even come close) unless they have huge new product line coming IMO. By 2016 3DS annual shipments will be down into the 7 million/year range or worse ... that isn't going to cut it and the Wii U has failed at every oppurtunity to really show it's something the mass market really wants. 



Nem on 07 February 2015
Samus Aran said:
Nem said:
I still think everone is trying to kill off the 3DS and Wii U way too early. Think about the software development cycles. They cant just release one round of games before remakingall the tools all over again.
I think both the 3DS and Wii U will see another round of first party software before exiting the stage. I guess it is possible that Nintendo development is now focused on the new portable to come out in a year or two, but i find it unlikely. What makes sense to me is that in 2015 and 2016 the new wave of software for current consoles will release and no new systems will release wich will maximise profits. Possibly production of current models will slow down for the release of a new system in late 2017 where the next wave of software will start beeing ready.

GBA sold better and was killed off earlier.


That was an era when portables sold like hotcakes.

Consoles are become harder sells these days. I dont see the point of still doing 5 year cycles.

They just sold what? 50 milion 3DS. Why are they walking away from that? The userbase for sucessful software is there.



Samus Aran on 07 February 2015
Nem said:
Samus Aran said:

GBA sold better and was killed off earlier.


That was an era when portables sold like hotcakes.

Consoles are become harder sells these days. I dont see the point of still doing 5 year cycles.

They just sold what? 50 milion 3DS. Why are they walking away from that? The userbase for sucessful software is there.

Nintendo earns more revenue from hardware sales. They need to release a €200 handheld that is profitable from the start (or profitable with the purchase of one game)



Nem on 07 February 2015
Samus Aran said:
Nem said:


That was an era when portables sold like hotcakes.

Consoles are become harder sells these days. I dont see the point of still doing 5 year cycles.

They just sold what? 50 milion 3DS. Why are they walking away from that? The userbase for sucessful software is there.

Nintendo earns more revenue from hardware sales. They need to release a €200 handheld that is profitable from the start (or profitable with the purchase of one game)


Yeah... thats the only way, because with the 3DS they had to take a loss.

But, its related to what i was saying. Consoles are harder sells now. To sell in similar numbers they need to make it cheaper because people dont see the value anymore. Those big noticeable technological leaps just arent there anymore.