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Is Valve...

...safe because MS won't... 35 14.89%
 
...safe. MS will sell gam... 99 42.13%
 
...safe, because all PC g... 11 4.68%
 
...doomed. MS will crush ... 7 2.98%
 
...doomed. They will give... 65 27.66%
 
...doomed. But MS is too ... 17 7.23%
 
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Valve need to make their own Linux variant and support it with their own GPU API. The only reason why Microsoft is trying to eat Valve's cake is Windows and DirectX API. If Valve don't this, they will die in Microsoft's hands.



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torok said:
generic-user-1 said:
 


so with the new app you can buy a game over the xbone app, complete it, and resale it?

DRM != being able to resell. On Steam, your game is linked to an always-online DRM check. If you don't connect to the web eventually, the games won't work. If your Steam account is banned, games won't work. If Steam gets out of business, games won't work. X1 games don't have this issue.

Do you even know what you are talking about? Steam has no always-online-check. You need to be online to INSTALL the game (which is logical because you have to download the data). If you install from a disc (retail games), Steam needs a one-time internet connection for the activation. After that you can switch to the off-line-mode of Steam and use all your Steam-games weeks or months offline.

Sure, if you get your account banned and switch Steam to online-mode, your Steam-games will stop working. But so will digital games you bought on XBL, PSN, Origin, Uplay when your account gets banned... digital X1 games are account-bound and have the same issues!



Panama said:
No because even Phil Spencer likes Steam :^)


LOL You really think thats the reason? I think its because Microsoft doesn't have the titles to compete with Steam nor do they need. This is associated with Sony and Apple solely. They are trying to kill two birds with one stone by competing with Apple and Sony by using the method Sony used with their console and handheld crossplay.



Conina said:

Do you even know what you are talking about? Steam has no always-online-check. You need to be online to INSTALL the game (which is logical because you have to download the data). If you install from a disc (retail games), Steam needs a one-time internet connection for the activation. After that you can switch to the off-line-mode of Steam and use all your Steam-games weeks or months offline.

Sure, if you get your account banned and switch Steam to online-mode, your Steam-games will stop working. But so will digital games you bought on XBL, PSN, Origin, Uplay when your account gets banned... digital X1 games are account-bound and have the same issues!

Yes, I know it has a window of some months (I believe it's one) before you lose access to your games. So, sooner or later you have to be online. It's just a refined version of the always online DRM with a big timeout. There is a big difference between being able to use it for one month offline or being able to use it offline forever.

Bolded is wrong. The XBL and PSN games don't have this kind of online check. If I get my account banned, I can't access it to download my games again, but the installed copies do work. If I have a backup on a HDD, I can even restore it if my console breaks. I'm not losing my games. In Origin ad uPlay you will lose them, since they use the same DRM that Steam does.



torok said:
generic-user-1 said:
 


so with the new app you can buy a game over the xbone app, complete it, and resale it?

DRM != being able to resell. On Steam, your game is linked to an always-online DRM check. If you don't connect to the web eventually, the games won't work. If your Steam account is banned, games won't work. If Steam gets out of business, games won't work. X1 games don't have this issue.

if my internet is away i just play steamgames in offline modus?



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torok said:
Captain_Tom said:
The only person who would say this is someone COMPLETELY out of the loop when it comes to PC gaming.


Why? Is Steam invencible? I'm sure Netscape, IE, Nokia, BlackBerry, IBM and a lot of other companies looked invencible in their own game in a given time period. Even on gaming: wasn't Nintendo invencible after the NES? Who could beat Sony after the PS2?


Haha no Netscape, IE, Nokia, BlackBerry, and IBM were never as universally praised as Steam is.  Hell Steam single handedly saved the PC market while MS wa busy killing it with Vista and GFW.

Also is the PS2 really a good example? Let's see, 360 came in last (Again), the Wii won by 10%, and now both the Wii U and X1 are getting curbed stomped yet again.  Oh and the PS2's success was nowhere close to Steam.

Anyways why would someone who says this sillyness be out of the loop?  Because they don't realize just how good Steam is NOW.  It is constantly evolving and getting new (FREE) features.  What could MS' own service possibly bring to the table that would be worth dropping my massive Steam library?  Nothing.



This will literally change nothing with Steam.

Might make it even more popular now that MS is trying to do PC to Xbox streaming. Would be dope to have Steam on my XBO.



Not for me, I love Steam. Way way better than anything Microsoft has to offer, and they'll always have a larger library.



IMO it's too late to move Steam from where it is, but who knows, higher towers have fallen.



generic-user-1 said:

if my internet is away i just play steamgames in offline modus?

Offline mode means that you have 1 month to connect again. Don't do it and the games won't work anymore, until you connect again. If your account is banned by any reason, you won't be able to connect and will lose all your games.

 

mornelithe said:
Not for me, I love Steam. Way way better than anything Microsoft has to offer, and they'll always have a larger library.

We still didn't saw what they can have to offer. Life can be a surprise!

But you have a point: MS can even get all the games that Steam gets, but the previous released game won't probably be re-released that easily. Steam scores one important point.

 

Captain_Tom said:


Haha no Netscape, IE, Nokia, BlackBerry, and IBM were never as universally praised as Steam is.  Hell Steam single handedly saved the PC market while MS wa busy killing it with Vista and GFW.

Also is the PS2 really a good example? Let's see, 360 came in last (Again), the Wii won by 10%, and now both the Wii U and X1 are getting curbed stomped yet again.  Oh and the PS2's success was nowhere close to Steam.

Anyways why would someone who says this sillyness be out of the loop?  Because they don't realize just how good Steam is NOW.  It is constantly evolving and getting new (FREE) features.  What could MS' own service possibly bring to the table that would be worth dropping my massive Steam library?  Nothing.


Netscape had a 95%+ monopoly, just like IE. It's bigger than Steam's share. BlackBerry was the only cell phone for entreprise use/e-mail. Nokia was the absolute market leader. IBM was the be all end all of computing in the 80s. These guys were way bigger and more relevant than Steam. And praise? BlackBerries were dubbed "Crackberry" because their users were almost addicted to them. Old Nokia phones are remebered until today.

I would argue that PS2 is a bigger success than Steam. It was in 1/4 households in the US. It sold 1.6B games. Looking at the top selling Steam games of all time, the list isn't more impressive than the PS2 one. Is likely that PS2 sold more software than Steam ever did.

I'm not out of the loop. But your point is that MS can't do anything better than Steam because it is to good. It doesn't make sense, everything can be surpassed with the correct investment and direction. And again, they don't have to make you drop your library, just have to make you start buying more from them. Your only argument is that Steam is to good to be surpassed. Most companies that believed that ended up being dethroned by a new guy. BlackBerries were perfect, until we saw what an iPhone can do. Netbooks were great, until iPad showed us a new way to get that quick web surfing. Sony TVs were the premium experience until everybody got a Samsung. Nokias were the best phones ever but now everyone has a Apple or Samsung. Music meant walkman, now it is iPod.

What I see on this thread is that everyone holds Steam in a way higher account that it should be. This is technology. 7 years ago the best phones were Nokias with Symbian, Windows Mobile devices and BBs. Where are they now? Dead or in life support (or their successors are). The real sillyness is on people that think that anything is written on stone in technology. I'm just presenting a hipothesis. I presented my reasoning. And until now, nobody gave me a contrary argument better than "I like Steam" and "no way".