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torok said:
generic-user-1 said:
 


so with the new app you can buy a game over the xbone app, complete it, and resale it?

DRM != being able to resell. On Steam, your game is linked to an always-online DRM check. If you don't connect to the web eventually, the games won't work. If your Steam account is banned, games won't work. If Steam gets out of business, games won't work. X1 games don't have this issue.

if my internet is away i just play steamgames in offline modus?



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torok said:
Captain_Tom said:
The only person who would say this is someone COMPLETELY out of the loop when it comes to PC gaming.


Why? Is Steam invencible? I'm sure Netscape, IE, Nokia, BlackBerry, IBM and a lot of other companies looked invencible in their own game in a given time period. Even on gaming: wasn't Nintendo invencible after the NES? Who could beat Sony after the PS2?


Haha no Netscape, IE, Nokia, BlackBerry, and IBM were never as universally praised as Steam is.  Hell Steam single handedly saved the PC market while MS wa busy killing it with Vista and GFW.

Also is the PS2 really a good example? Let's see, 360 came in last (Again), the Wii won by 10%, and now both the Wii U and X1 are getting curbed stomped yet again.  Oh and the PS2's success was nowhere close to Steam.

Anyways why would someone who says this sillyness be out of the loop?  Because they don't realize just how good Steam is NOW.  It is constantly evolving and getting new (FREE) features.  What could MS' own service possibly bring to the table that would be worth dropping my massive Steam library?  Nothing.



This will literally change nothing with Steam.

Might make it even more popular now that MS is trying to do PC to Xbox streaming. Would be dope to have Steam on my XBO.



Not for me, I love Steam. Way way better than anything Microsoft has to offer, and they'll always have a larger library.



IMO it's too late to move Steam from where it is, but who knows, higher towers have fallen.



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generic-user-1 said:

if my internet is away i just play steamgames in offline modus?

Offline mode means that you have 1 month to connect again. Don't do it and the games won't work anymore, until you connect again. If your account is banned by any reason, you won't be able to connect and will lose all your games.

 

mornelithe said:
Not for me, I love Steam. Way way better than anything Microsoft has to offer, and they'll always have a larger library.

We still didn't saw what they can have to offer. Life can be a surprise!

But you have a point: MS can even get all the games that Steam gets, but the previous released game won't probably be re-released that easily. Steam scores one important point.

 

Captain_Tom said:


Haha no Netscape, IE, Nokia, BlackBerry, and IBM were never as universally praised as Steam is.  Hell Steam single handedly saved the PC market while MS wa busy killing it with Vista and GFW.

Also is the PS2 really a good example? Let's see, 360 came in last (Again), the Wii won by 10%, and now both the Wii U and X1 are getting curbed stomped yet again.  Oh and the PS2's success was nowhere close to Steam.

Anyways why would someone who says this sillyness be out of the loop?  Because they don't realize just how good Steam is NOW.  It is constantly evolving and getting new (FREE) features.  What could MS' own service possibly bring to the table that would be worth dropping my massive Steam library?  Nothing.


Netscape had a 95%+ monopoly, just like IE. It's bigger than Steam's share. BlackBerry was the only cell phone for entreprise use/e-mail. Nokia was the absolute market leader. IBM was the be all end all of computing in the 80s. These guys were way bigger and more relevant than Steam. And praise? BlackBerries were dubbed "Crackberry" because their users were almost addicted to them. Old Nokia phones are remebered until today.

I would argue that PS2 is a bigger success than Steam. It was in 1/4 households in the US. It sold 1.6B games. Looking at the top selling Steam games of all time, the list isn't more impressive than the PS2 one. Is likely that PS2 sold more software than Steam ever did.

I'm not out of the loop. But your point is that MS can't do anything better than Steam because it is to good. It doesn't make sense, everything can be surpassed with the correct investment and direction. And again, they don't have to make you drop your library, just have to make you start buying more from them. Your only argument is that Steam is to good to be surpassed. Most companies that believed that ended up being dethroned by a new guy. BlackBerries were perfect, until we saw what an iPhone can do. Netbooks were great, until iPad showed us a new way to get that quick web surfing. Sony TVs were the premium experience until everybody got a Samsung. Nokias were the best phones ever but now everyone has a Apple or Samsung. Music meant walkman, now it is iPod.

What I see on this thread is that everyone holds Steam in a way higher account that it should be. This is technology. 7 years ago the best phones were Nokias with Symbian, Windows Mobile devices and BBs. Where are they now? Dead or in life support (or their successors are). The real sillyness is on people that think that anything is written on stone in technology. I'm just presenting a hipothesis. I presented my reasoning. And until now, nobody gave me a contrary argument better than "I like Steam" and "no way".



torok said:

 

mornelithe said:
Not for me, I love Steam. Way way better than anything Microsoft has to offer, and they'll always have a larger library.

We still didn't saw what they can have to offer. Life can be a surprise!

But you have a point: MS can even get all the games that Steam gets, but the previous released game won't probably be re-released that easily. Steam scores one important point.

The thing is, there are certainties about what they will be able to carry.  Like, it's extremely unlikely that Sony would allow SoE games on any Microsoft service, so that's segment of games that Steam will have, versus MS.  Conversely, it seems like Microsoft will actually be very close to Steam in this regard, so it's likely that every Microsoft studios game, will end up on steam, or at least the vast majority.

Time will tell, but Microsoft has a pretty steep hill to climb to create a system with as much variety and inclusiveness, as what Valve's built.





torok said:
Zkuq said:
Also, the OP was wrong about Steam having too few games on platforms other than Windows. The library is actually pretty good and expanding. Sure, many key titles are still missing, but Linux and Mac support are getting increasingly common.

I use Linux, so I can see what Steam OS will have. Metro Last Light/2033, Borderlands 2/Pre-sequel, Xcom: Enemy Within/Enemy Unknown, Serious Sam 3, Football Manager 2015, Half-life 1/2, Counter-strike (all), Civilization V, Portal 1/2, The Witcher 2, Total War, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Dead Island and a lot of indies.

So we have a bunch of games that were on other platforms years ago being late ported, a lot of indies and not a single one of the top selling franchises that launched on next gen consoles and PCs.

I mean, the biggest advantage of a gaming PC turned into a console is that it have all the major games. Valve just removed the advantage. The most graphically advanced title on this list is Metro Last Light, also on PS4.

I think that's a lot better than I expected when Valve announced Steam for Linux, and those are some pretty good games, despite being old. And I think old games getting official Linux ports tells quite a bit about the stance several high-profile developers have towards Linux gaming. Linux gaming is definitely gaining momentum, and that momentum could mean games being ported over to Linux, including some extremely high-profile games.



torok said:

What I see on this thread is that everyone holds Steam in a way higher account that it should be. This is technology. 7 years ago the best phones were Nokias with Symbian, Windows Mobile devices and BBs. Where are they now? Dead or in life support (or their successors are). The real sillyness is on people that think that anything is written on stone in technology. I'm just presenting a hipothesis. I presented my reasoning. And until now, nobody gave me a contrary argument better than "I like Steam" and "no way".

And some people hold Microsoft or the Xbox brand in a way higher account that it should be. Sure it could happen if Microsoft does everything right and Valve does everything wrong the next years. But the chances for that are very slim and all your examples of fallen market leaders / big companies could not only happen to Valve, it could also happen to Microsoft (or Sony, Nintendo, Apple, Google, Samsung, Intel, Nvidia...)

For now Microsoft has a much worse track record in killing off their services or devices than Valve.

They COULD offer better deals than Steam and Steams partners if they really wanted, but nothing hints that they are willing to enter a race to the bottom. Premium apps in the Windows Phone Store or the Windows Store are costing at least twice than on iOS or Android in many many cases. The red stripe deals are rare compared to the flood of price reductions on iOS, Googles play store and Amazons AppStore with its free apps per day; most red stripe deals are still priced for 2 - 3 bucks while many iOS/Android deals are for 99 cents or even free. Most PC games available in the Windows store AND in other PC stores (Steam, GOG, Humble Store, retail, Origin's "On the house" games) have rarely the best deal in the Windows store and most Xbox deals of multiplatform titles are more expensive than the PC versions.



If it's less expensive or the same price without the additional intrusive DRM found on some Steam titles. I would try it. We already saw the Steam app, I see no compelling reason to switch echo systems at this time. Is it possible that Microsoft partners withs Steam on the project?