They were all very well received and popular games, to this very day people play an updated version of quake 3 (now named quake live) in online tournaments.

Your statement was "who did first on console"

It wasnt Microsoft, sorry if thats too hard to accept.

At this point its no longer a case of adhering to reality, but illogical defense mechanism of a percieved attack on a favored console.

Funny thing is, if someone actually posts genuine, factual innovations, i will have no problem with saying "sure, thats an innovation by x", just really sick of people trying to bend reality to favor their arguments, and use words like innovation in a way that just isnt the meaning of innovation, and with that all i can say is..

They already worked with Sony and Nintendo before the box.This guy must not know gaming or have short term memory.The SNES had Doom and other PC ports.The PSX was the first console to get GTA,Wing Commander,games from pc developers like Eidos with Tomb Raider, Blizzard and Ubisoft did games for the SNES,N64,PSX and Saturn and Half-Life came to the PS2 first as well as other former PC franchises.He is completely wrong in everything except achievements,but that is not innovative as games have had award systems in game for years.

The lone true innovation I see here is HDDs, and I wouldn't say MS innovated there. Sony did have a HDD for PS2. There wasn't really a need for a HDD on sixth-generation consoles. Console makers have always been looking at mass-storage solutions, and as another poster said below, HDDs were cheap enough by 2006 that Sony would have included one in the PS3 anyway.

The rest of it is inconsequential. Achievements are for measuring e-penis length only, and a six-digit Gamerscore is more a testament to your Gamefly habits than your skill at gaming.

There have always been Western RPGs on consoles. People simply chose the Eastern stuff. Tastes were simply different at the time. SNES owners could have chosen Ultima or Wizardry over Final Fantasy VI, PS1 owners Diablo over FFVII, PS2 owners Baldur's Gate: DA, Summoner, or Fallout Tactics over games like FFX or Dragon Quest VIII. But they didn't. And frankly, I'm not impressed with Bioware or Bethesda beyond Fallout 3/New Vegas. And what about Sony having the first big console MMORPG in Final Fantasy XI?

I could also argue that FPSs got kicked off on consoles with Goldeneye on the N64, which was multiplayer and hugely popular.  But I don't think one genre of game gaining supremacy over another necessarily counts as "innovation". That's just the pendulum swinging as it always does.

I did not know this about the Atari as I never had one,but he is wrong again I see.

Quake 3 on the Dreamcast did not sell 8 million or close to it, or revolutionize online gaming. By the way I used to own Quake 3 on the Dreamcast and liked it.

I think we need to start labeling this sort of thing as "Spinnovation".

What have I said that is wrong?

Kindly stop moving the goalposts, here is your statement.

I dont see a sales requirement here, just a false claim that you seem hell bent on defending to the death rather than simply doing the mature thing of saying "actually yeah, im wrong, my bad"

To be accurate, for the Atari, it was more Activision themselves that offered them with their range of games, this is a near complete range of them offered for people reaching certain achievements in their games.

Im my opinion, far cooler than a meaningless numerical gamerscore, though scores were also done, gaming magazines such as nintendo power would post highscores from games along with the name of the submitter in their monthly highscore columns, which would equate to the earliest version of a gamerscore.

The gold standard is when you didn't have to pay to play online and it still works well.  Xbox Live introduced nothing that I couldn't already do on my PC.  Microsoft did nothing but show that people will pay for something they could have got for free all along, and because of that now Sony is doing the same. 

Sure it's an innovation I guess.  Innovated screwing over not one but two fanbases, maybe three if Nintendo jumps on the pay to play online next gen.