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Frogger on 16 January 2015
curl-6 said:

So's GTA, COD, and most modern console games for that matter.

Bayonetta's problem is that its style is not palatable to the Western mainstream consumer.


It's lucky it even sold what it did.



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DerNebel on 16 January 2015
curl-6 said:
DerNebel said:

What is happening now has more to do with the time than with third parties not being controlled, none of that stuff happened until gen 7.

Time? How so?

Game development has become many times more expensive, in part due to higher production value (graphics, voice acting, motion capturing) but also due to unnecessary high marketing costs.

Games in the 90 could be made with teams of 25 people and a years time, now an AAA studio probably needs at least 80-90 people and 3 years (numbers more or less pulled out of my ass).



DerNebel on 16 January 2015
badgenome said:
DerNebel said:

And nobody knows why.... They must be really cheap to get, wonder what an average programmer at Platinum makes.

Yeah, I'd really like to see how the economics of their whole set up works. One thing that probably works in their favor at this point is that no publisher really expects a Platinum game to make them a ton of money. It's more of a vanity project that you can count on to be critically well received even if it sells like crap.

It would be really cool if Scalebound turns out to be their Demon's Souls moment. If it can happen to From, it can happen to anyone!

True, that can happen if MS seriously backs this project then it definitely has the potential to become their biggest franchise.



curl-6 on 16 January 2015
DerNebel said:
curl-6 said:
DerNebel said:

What is happening now has more to do with the time than with third parties not being controlled, none of that stuff happened until gen 7.

Time? How so?

Game development has become many times more expensive, in part due to higher production value (graphics, voice acting, motion capturing) but also due to unnecessary high marketing costs.

Games in the 90 could be made with teams of 25 people and a years time, now an AAA studio probably needs at least 80-90 people and 3 years (numbers more or less pulled out of my ass).

I understand that, hence why I don't expect modern games to be churned out as quickly as in the 4th gen. It's more the approach to gameplay design I find less appealing among today's games, in general. 



Conegamer on 16 January 2015
Blood_Tears said:
Hideki Kamiya told all the customers willing to buy it to F*ck off on Twitter….so it looks like they did just that. Tough love, awe well…

I think you're misremembering that. 



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

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curl-6 on 16 January 2015

Well, he told me to fuck off, but I still bought it. To be fair, I did pester him about a Platinum Starfox though... :p



curl-6 on 16 January 2015

Let's be real though, the people he told to fuck off were mostly trolls who were never going to buy the game anyway.



Boberkun on 16 January 2015
curl-6 said:
Jumpin said:
The main issue with Bayonetta in general is that it is a game aimed primarily at 12-14 year old boys.

So's GTA, COD, and most modern console games for that matter.

Bayonetta's problem is that its style is not palatable to the Western mainstream consumer.

Strange thing, but it also not palatable to the japanese audience.



curl-6 on 16 January 2015
Boberkun said:
curl-6 said:
Jumpin said:
The main issue with Bayonetta in general is that it is a game aimed primarily at 12-14 year old boys.

So's GTA, COD, and most modern console games for that matter.

Bayonetta's problem is that its style is not palatable to the Western mainstream consumer.

Strange thing, but it also not palatable to the japanese audience.

It's not mainstream by any cultural standard, to be honest. It's geared to appeal to a very specific taste with its bizarre, over-the-top, hyper-everything approach.



DerNebel on 16 January 2015
curl-6 said:
DerNebel said:

Game development has become many times more expensive, in part due to higher production value (graphics, voice acting, motion capturing) but also due to unnecessary high marketing costs.

Games in the 90 could be made with teams of 25 people and a years time, now an AAA studio probably needs at least 80-90 people and 3 years (numbers more or less pulled out of my ass).

I understand that, hence why I don't expect modern games to be churned out as quickly as in the 4th gen. It's more the approach to gameplay design I find less appealing among today's games, in general. 

You mean in the sense that games are kind of being homogenized and annualized a lot? That can also be attributed to the increased risk that comes with the heightened cost of game development, publishers are trying to minimize risk by sticking with what is successful.

I generally don't really mind that practice of leaning on your popular franchises, I'd just wish that publishers would use the money they make from those projects more to also fund smaller or less mainstream projects. I feel Sony is a publisher that does that, which is why I actually want them to get 1 or 2 new really big franchises that they can milk a little (ideally not from ND), which can then help fund the smaller games that I want to happen (Dark Cloud 3, Ni No Kuni 2 etc.)