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tak13 said:
Kerotan said:
Fully agree with opening poster. It's scary the money ninty would make if they went 3rd party on all platforms. They have a number of games selling like mini Minecraft's


No kerotan!They make more money on hardware than on software(There is a great analysis on neogaf about this but even Iwata has used this argument along with the other one that nintendo software won't  be good on non nintendo hardware,which are the reason that nintendo will never go third party)!You do realize how big advantage is to sell your own software on your own hardware,you don't have to share the money!For instance nintendo would need to sell 760m apps at 5$ on app store to match the money it gets from hardware and the 30% of the money would be taken from apple!

One other time to see a person  suggesting nintendo to go third party without doing a research to see if it should or not,I will leave vgc!I'm really annoyed by this!

This(^) isn't for you kerotan at least you don't seem to have bad intention,others  by contrast  may have!


I know all that but they could cut some big deals. Like tell sony you will only get our games if we get morethan other publishers.  same with steam and apple Google etc 



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Please stop being a fool with your dumb topics. Nintendo is the NUMBER ONE seller of gaming hardware IN THE WORLD.  Add up Wii U, 3DS, Wii.  They kick SONY/XBOX butt.  

End of story.  Dumbass topic.



zzyzxroad said:

Please stop being a fool with your dumb topics. Nintendo is the NUMBER ONE seller of gaming hardware IN THE WORLD.  Add up Wii U, 3DS, Wii.  They kick SONY/XBOX butt.  

End of story.  Dumbass topic.


Seriously? Come on man.



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alternine said:
zzyzxroad said:

Please stop being a fool with your dumb topics. Nintendo is the NUMBER ONE seller of gaming hardware IN THE WORLD.  Add up Wii U, 3DS, Wii.  They kick SONY/XBOX butt.  

End of story.  Dumbass topic.


Seriously? Come on man.


We are serious, here

http://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-doomed-not-likely-just-take-look-how-much-money-its-got-bank/

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Is Nintendo doomed? Not likely. Just take a look at how much money it's got in the bank

 
 

Fiscal projections. Capital budgeting. Shareholder investment. Yadda yadda yadda. Unless you like accounts and annual reports and stock markets and banks and all that, the world of corporate finance is really boring. But not today. Check this out for a completely not boring financial fact about Nintendo: Nintendo has £6.7 ($10.5) billion in the bank and, even if making big losses every year, that considerable nest egg would keep the company going until 2052. That's, like, 40 years away.

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So dont worry, nintendo still has chance to do it better next time just like they did with nes, snes, wii and of course portable consoles



megafenix said:
alternine said:
zzyzxroad said:

Please stop being a fool with your dumb topics. Nintendo is the NUMBER ONE seller of gaming hardware IN THE WORLD.  Add up Wii U, 3DS, Wii.  They kick SONY/XBOX butt.  

End of story.  Dumbass topic.


Seriously? Come on man.


We are serious, here

http://www.gamesradar.com/nintendo-doomed-not-likely-just-take-look-how-much-money-its-got-bank/

"

Is Nintendo doomed? Not likely. Just take a look at how much money it's got in the bank

 
 

Fiscal projections. Capital budgeting. Shareholder investment. Yadda yadda yadda. Unless you like accounts and annual reports and stock markets and banks and all that, the world of corporate finance is really boring. But not today. Check this out for a completely not boring financial fact about Nintendo: Nintendo has £6.7 ($10.5) billion in the bank and, even if making big losses every year, that considerable nest egg would keep the company going until 2052. That's, like, 40 years away.

"

  


Thanks god there are people who know some facts!Some here throw their moonshine without doing a reasearch to see if what they say is valid or just baseless...PREJUDICE IS STRONG!

This isn't the only thing!When nintendo is known that makes more money on hardware than on software,seeing suggestions to abandon hardware(Ignoring the big success of the handheld),which implies losing the big advantage of selling your own software to your own hardware,by which you get all the money and you don't have to share them like other console software developing companies that are less profitable than nintendo,you easily get mad!

If for example it goes on mobile,it has to sell 760m apps at 5$ on app store to match the money it gets from hardware and the 30% of the money will be taken from apple...



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Depends how you define obsolete. Some may say, having only 10% market share makes them obsolete.
Let's just see what they do with their next opportunity to screw up. Nintendo 3rd Party is only a matter of time.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

"play smash bros on your tablet, you got it!"

Disgusting

"Play your pokemon MMO on PC done deal!"

Awesome

But I doubt it will happen anytime soon if ever... Probably never


There already is a Pokemon MMO you can play for free.   Google it.  

 

That's what Nintendo hasn't figured out yet - if they don't sell people what they want someone will find a way to get it for free.  Their loss.



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Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

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hsrob said:
HollyGamer said:
hsrob said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Chazore said:
Sounds like Sony would be closer to that than Nintendo tbh.

Sony closer to being obsolete as a hardware manufacturer than Nintendo? Have you not seen PS4 sales?

Seeing as we were beating the revenue-is-not-profit drum not long ago it shouldn't be too hard to realise that sales also don't equal profits.  Even if Sony is now profiting on each unit of PS4 hardware sold they are still likely only part of the way through paying off the PS4 R+D costs.  I think it is highly unlikely that the PS4 venture as a whole has yet turned profit.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/28/business/global/sonys-bread-and-butter-its-not-electronics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1

I'm not claiming this article represents any kind of 'truth' but it's pretty easy to find a host of similar articles in well respected publications. I know that the authors of these articles don't determine Sony's fate, but the shareholders that do read these articles and with losses in 9 of the last 10 years Sony's shareholders have reason to be displeased.

It's about market share and brand recognize in industry, even if SONY bankrupt they can still sale PS brand to other company u

With regards the comment stating that Sony is closer to hardware obsolescence, selling the PlayStation brand would accelerate that end point, not postpone it. 

 

Equally Nintendo's software IP still have significant value but I don't think we would want to see those sold off either.

different matter my friend, Sony has their own problem, but not on brand and market share, while Nintendo is can be more rich and profitable but not with their popularity.



DerNebel said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
DerNebel said:

Wait now I'm confused. What I meant to say was that I wouldn't really care if PS or Xbox exclusives were available everywhere.

Oh okay, I thought you responded to my first line cause thats where I said "you don't really care" and etc

But I don't really get why you responded to:

"Thats probably cause we get a thread about Nintendo going third party at least once or twice a month but we rarely get a thread about Sony or Microsoft going third party and of course, if we are going to talk about games being avaliable on every platform, than people should include that both Sony and Microsoft First party should also be avaliable in every platform including PC"

With

"Again: The whole industry is making money on the Playstation and Xbox, on the other hand only Nintendo is making money on the Wii U (3DS is another case, but with the shrinking dedicated handheld market I wouldn't be surprised if the situation there becomes similar to the Wii U situation) that is the crucial difference."

Cause the industry making money on PS/Xbox has almost nothing to do with people not making threads about Sony/Microsoft going third party vs Nintendo since the industry is making money on PC. So I am a bit confused as to why the Industry making money prevent people from making "Sony/Microsoft" going third party threads since the industry money topic is not really even touched up on the Nintendo going third party threads

OK, first I hope that we're on the same page that "going third party" means getting out of the hardware business, not just releasing your first party games everywhere.

If we're clear on that then I think that it's not that hard to understand, sure the industry is also making money on the PC, but there are still (tens of) millions of people that do not want to game on PC and instead go for a console and that's why I'm saying that there is less of a reason to call for MS or Sony to go third party (until the whole industry moves towards a streaming model) because all of these people now buying Xboxs/PSs, not for their exclusives but simply because they aren't interested in gaming on a PC, would possibly turn away from gaming if there were no consoles anymore, which would strip away huge revenue streams for all publishers.

Hope that somewhat clears this up.


You're actually on the same page with us then. I think we can agree that the current model (i.e. what they're doing with the Wii U) isn't very sustainable. But why the NIntendo fans believe that they should not go third party is that they see a future where Nintendo continues, fixes their issues and makes successful products again, whereas you seem to see that as unlikely or impossible. Why many NIntendo fans are even offended at suggestions for Nintendo to go third-party is that by sacrificing your independence and making your competition your bosses, you're suggesting that you, and your games are inferior. Think about it. NIntendo offers great games that only come on their consoles. Many people think they're retarded, childish rehashes that like any innovation and creativity. By putting their games on their competition, they are implying that yes, the naysayers were right. They'd be put in the sea of other games right there along with other companies. Other companies that have to use overpriced DLC, microtansactions and hidden user fees to make a profit while meeting the AAA development standards of the industry, and many people don't like these companies because of it. People are talking about physical and even digital becoming obsolete (especially for PS/Xbox) so there's that to take into consideration. It's a very different environment. Maybe it might be better but it's not that clear-cut.

I agree with you on the Xbox/PS bit (i like Playstation myself), but I'll play the devil's advocate here. Many PC gamers belive that if consoles ceased to exist, gamers would move to PC/mobile eventually as long as gaming stays a big a deal. Companies would save huge amounts of money not having to worry about porting their games, optimizing their games, advertising or otherwise worrying about other platforms. The focus put on these platforms would pressure them to be made more accessible (without the creation of an separate platform) and would greatly improve them as their markets would soar. Then there's also the idea that console gamers now would almost certainly be better served with the lower prices, mods, and customizability of PCs and the lower prices/potability/ multifunctional nature of phones and tablets, no matter how much they deny they would. (Actually, I find the suggestion to "give up your crappy consoles; you'll thank us later" quite narcissistic and rude, but you get the point).