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I think that's just a natural result of a Playstation console dominating the market.
Playstation userbase is usually a lot more welcoming of niche and new IPs, just a glance at how many different and new IPs sold over a million units on PS3 compared to the 360 or Wii last gen is enough to drive that point home.

Nintendo fans tend to usually only buy games with Mario and link in them, though last gen was kinda different for them but mostly cause majority of Wii owners were the usual Nintendo fans.

XBOX fans are usually the type who buy every Halo, CoD, Gears and occasionally a Madden, and they play these games all day every day. Again this trend was actually a lot less prevalent for 360 cause it did have a lot of the PS2 fans that did make the 360's user base seem more diverse.

Playstation consoles have always had the most diverse libraries because the user base is a lot more prone to trying new IPs from different genres, on the flip side this has led to Sony not having a mascot like Mario or Master chief. But I think that's a good thing, cause we always see Sony fund a lot more new IPs every gen compared to other companies.



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RolStoppable said:
fluky-nintendy said:
RolStoppable said:

Give me some concrete examples that inspired your thread title and then we can talk.

You mentioned Capcom and Square-Enix in your OP, but all we know about them is that they each have a couple of IPs left that they make for home consoles, so a clear indication for a continuation of the seventh generation, not a return to how things were in the sixth gen when both companies had more than a dozen of IPs.

I also think that it's a pipedream for the mid-tier to come back. Since retail isn't an option in this blockbuster-driven industry, digital-only is all that's left. But to make what was formerly mid-tier, developers would have to aim for a $25-30 price point. That in and of itself is a problem, similar to how the situation is on smartphones and tablets; there a $10 price point is considered premium and unlikely to succeed because consumers are used to $5 or less; on consoles and PC $10-15 is the norm and even then a sizeable chunk of sales is generated only through discounts.

I was inspired by the warm success that titles from a large range of genre are getting this generation, especially on PS4. I can't imagine games such as The Evil Within, Child of Light, Velocity 2x, etc; games that would have flopped hard on the 7th gen by how they look or how they play (just not your console friendly game for that time), but these games had both commercial success and critical success today. Of course I'll have to agree that it's still soon to have the confirmation that this gen will mark the comeback of the variety of the 6th gen, but that's why I'm asking if others feel the same way. I think the potential is here more than ever and the path PS4 (especially) is taking, makes me think that there is a high chance of this era becoming a remarkable era for gaming.

@bold Why I mentioned SE and Cap was mostly because they made many mistakes in gen 7. They became greedy/arrogant and money hunger right after AND because I want them to be what they once were: focused on gaming and not just money-chasers trying to get easy money and treating gamers like moneybags. It's not just a change of gaming habits but also a gain of mentality to treat gamers as gamers 1st and foremost that I think those 2 companies have lost sense for quite some time.

@Your last paragraph: I'm no expert to talk about demographics and how things work for Smartphones and PC in comparison with consoles in terms of price points. But I think those who get a PS4 or a gaming computer won't fear spending money for quality, even if it's substantially more pricey than on smartphone (not sure if this is what you were talking about). Just to add that digital sales have becoming stronger these past few years, so it's feasible to make a digital game a success if it's well advertised and well made. Console gamers also aren't so dependable on sales to buy their games.



...Let the Sony Domination continue with the PS4...

The bigger PlayStation install base and the plummeting yen are going to give a break to struggling Japanese companies. Also, indies seem to have found a great platform in PS4.

Western AAA publishers, not sure much changes for them.



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fluky-nintendy said:
RolStoppable said:
fluky-nintendy said:
RolStoppable said:

Give me some concrete examples that inspired your thread title and then we can talk.

You mentioned Capcom and Square-Enix in your OP, but all we know about them is that they each have a couple of IPs left that they make for home consoles, so a clear indication for a continuation of the seventh generation, not a return to how things were in the sixth gen when both companies had more than a dozen of IPs.

I also think that it's a pipedream for the mid-tier to come back. Since retail isn't an option in this blockbuster-driven industry, digital-only is all that's left. But to make what was formerly mid-tier, developers would have to aim for a $25-30 price point. That in and of itself is a problem, similar to how the situation is on smartphones and tablets; there a $10 price point is considered premium and unlikely to succeed because consumers are used to $5 or less; on consoles and PC $10-15 is the norm and even then a sizeable chunk of sales is generated only through discounts.

I was inspired by the warm success that titles from a large range of genre are getting this generation, especially on PS4. I can't imagine games such as The Evil Within, Child of Light, Velocity 2x, etc; games that would have flopped hard on the 7th gen by how they look or how they play (just not your console friendly game for that time), but these games had both commercial success and critical success today. Of course I'll have to agree that it's still soon to have the confirmation that this gen will mark the comeback of the variety of the 6th gen, but that's why I'm asking if others feel the same way. I think the potential is here more than ever and the path PS4 (especially) is taking, makes me think that there is a high chance of this era becoming a remarkable era for gaming.

@bold Why I mentioned SE and Cap was mostly because they made many mistakes in gen 7. They became greedy/arrogant and money hunger right after AND because I want them to be what they once were: focused on gaming and not just money-chasers trying to get easy money and treating gamers like moneybags. It's not just a change of gaming habits but also a gain of mentality to treat gamers as gamers 1st and foremost that I think those 2 companies have lost sense for quite some time.

@Your last paragraph: I'm no expert to talk about demographics and how things work for Smartphones and PC in comparison with consoles in terms of price points. But I think those who get a PS4 or a gaming computer won't fear spending money for quality, even if it's substantially more pricey than on smartphone (not sure if this is what you were talking about). Just to add that digital sales have becoming stronger these past few years, so it's feasible to make a digital game a success if it's well advertised and well made. Console gamers also aren't so dependable on sales to buy their games.


SE and Capcom didn't become greedy and arrogant, as that's what they already were. I think everyone else would like to see them back on track too, however I don't think it's possible as long as the same people keep working in the industry.

At the same time the creative side thinks they are creative geniouses, the corporate side sees only marketing and demographics. This leads into devs making either "anything they want" and on the other end "checklist games", and then there's nothing in between.

What you basically are asking is the industry (or the two companies for that matter) to destroy themselves and being born again.

 

Videogames forums tend to be full of young and naive boys who still think the videogames industry is like their mothers; have the responsibility to raise them. When the companies make financial decisions to save their jobs getting axed due to impatient shareholders or keeping profitability, they don't understand it because videogames is just play to all these kids associated, but serious business to all who work in the industry and everyone who's invested money in it.

 

I wouldn't bet on the indies to make "mid-tier" games as even the mid-tier requires quite an investment, so even if you had a breakaway success on a small random indie game, it doesn't mean you could make any bigger games and profit them (at least enough to make third game similar size with the second).

With the tablets and PS4One being after the same market with overlapping features, I would expect a fight between MS, Sony and Google on who's being able to sell you entertainment in your livingroom, so I wouldn't bet my money on indie devs rushing to PS4 when you're able to have potential market multiple times the size of PS4 installbase just to have your game on Android.



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My take on things? When a new gen begins, people are hungry for any new good game to play. The PS4 has the most users and people are looking for games to show off. As the library becomes more diverse and people do their usual thing, it will be harder and harder for games that can make a splash now to succeed.

It's been said that the beginning of a new gen is the best time for new IP. I agree. People are more open minded, now. Get in good now (Like Gears of War) and you'll have a fan for life. Pull a Lost Planet and people won't forgive you.



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I dont get what you are talking about. What risks are companies taking? Unless you mean indys, but every one else isnt thinking too far outside the box.



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okr said:

Divinity: Original Sin (more then 500.000 copies), The Talos Principle, Civilization: Beyond Earth. To name just 3 recent examples.

What Sony fans like the guy who made this OP (or the other guys in the other current thread who insinst that the PSV is digital developers' heaven) tend to forget: Neither Sony nor any other console maker brought back mid-tier developers or are responsible for the surge of western "independent" developers.

The latest Civilization was digital-only? Divinity also sounds like an established IP.

I guess it works on the PC where the majority of sales are already digital when games are available in both boxed and digital formats, so digital-only games can succeed at $30. I don't see it happening on consoles though.



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RolStoppable said:

The latest Civilization was digital-only? Divinity also sounds like an established IP.

I guess it works on the PC where the majority of sales are already digital when games are available in both boxed and digital formats, so digital-only games can succeed at $30. I don't see it happening on consoles though.

No, Civ: BE is also available at retail, but I have no doubt that the majority of sales of all PC games these days are already digital.

The Divinity developer stated that only 10% of those 500.000 copies were sold at retail http://t.joystiq.com/all/2014-09-12-divinity-original-sin-moves-half-a-million-copies#1

I think retail can be considered dead soon on PC, even in traditional PC gaming countries. There will come a time where publishers will only produce retail copies as limited editions for die-hard fans anymore.

I think consoles will follow next gen. The transition has already started.



d21lewis said:
My take on things? When a new gen begins, people are hungry for any new good game to play. The PS4 has the most users and people are looking for games to show off. As the library becomes more diverse and people do their usual thing, it will be harder and harder for games that can make a splash now to succeed.

It's been said that the beginning of a new gen is the best time for new IP. I agree. People are more open minded, now. Get in good now (Like Gears of War) and you'll have a fan for life. Pull a Lost Planet and people won't forgive you.

People are equally open-minded near the end of a gen, look at God Of War and The Last Of Us.



GTAexpert said:
d21lewis said:
My take on things? When a new gen begins, people are hungry for any new good game to play. The PS4 has the most users and people are looking for games to show off. As the library becomes more diverse and people do their usual thing, it will be harder and harder for games that can make a splash now to succeed.

It's been said that the beginning of a new gen is the best time for new IP. I agree. People are more open minded, now. Get in good now (Like Gears of War) and you'll have a fan for life. Pull a Lost Planet and people won't forgive you.

People are equally open-minded near the end of a gen, look at God Of War and The Last Of Us.

Equally?



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