The Kinect was created to compete with the Wii. By November 2010 a lot of the Wii hype died down, but it still existed. The Kinect capitilized on the Wii's downtime and sold a record 8 million in like 2 months and sold 24 million in 2 years. It was a pretty big success, and it capture some of the Wii's audience with games like Dance Central, Kinect Sports, and Kinectimals.

Microsoft knew what they were doing in 2010 and it paid off. But the thing is I have no idea what Microsoft was trying to do with the Kinect 2. They had no launch games for it, and have only released like 2ish games for it since launch (KS Rivals and Dance Central I guess). Gamers told MS they wanted nothing to do with Kinect so MS finally got rid of it pretty much.

Question is - if the Kinect released with the Xbox One instead of as a peripheral for the 360, do you think it would have been received better? If MS just released the original Kinect (with a little upgraded hardware as not to cost so much) with the Xbox One and released the games for it (like Dance Central, Kinect Sports and all that) do you think it could have been a bigger success?

I don't think it would have mainly because by 2013 motion control hype was pretty much over with. It may have captured some of the casual crowd with a fitness type game or something but I doubt it would have sold much.

No I think it would have been even worse. Xbox would be looked at as pandering to the casuals, a crowd that as we have seen has dissapeared to the smartphones. MS already took enough shit for being about TV, CoD and Madden, they dont need the machine being labelled for casual smartphone gamers too.

The Kinect would not have been recieved better. It actually would've sold less coupled with the Xbox One. It rode off of the hype from the fad that was the WIi. It became a fad itself and no one cared about the other iterations. 

The Kinect technology existed before it became the Kinect, and Microsoft got sloppy seconds. They had no tech and didnt know what it was all about not how to control it. Sony knew full well from creating the eyetoy of the potential of the Kinect, hence why they turned it down and worked on peripherals with the move. The Kinect is a good media center controller though. Pretty decent. I unplugged mine and i'm glad they dropped the kinect and made the Kinect bundle optional. If they need to want to make people believe in the Kinect they need to make their gamers believe it can control games properly and accurately or else its just a fad that they are forcing down peoples throats.

I don't think it would have helped that much cause by the end of the wii's life, motion controls in general were dead and I really don't think that Kinect would have changed that or breath new life into it. Specially since most of the kinect games were laughable

I think the only reason Kinect sold so much was cause it had a large install base rather than it being a system seller

Nope. Xbox One launched way too far after the crowd that enjoyed Wii decided to walk away from console gaming.

X360 already had a decent userbase in 2010 and the $150 Kinect price was perfect for that crowd. A $400 price point would never have worked for Kinect Xbox one and a couple games. Just like a WiiU for $350 with better launch games suffered. (better than the kinect lineup)

Kinda off topic. Among several revisions there was a Xbox One design that had kinect integrated with the console. If the final product was like that then it would have been disaster.

Like the actual Kinect was built in the console?

Yes.

So you heard this where? Just anecdotal evidence?

Here's an article about it: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/microsoft-considered-building-kinect-directly-into-the-xbox-one/1100-6419780/