generic-user-1 said:
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hey, I'm not against naked ladies, not at all. The objectification lies in HOW she is potraited. Not that she's naked.
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generic-user-1 said:
do you study this gender bs, or why do you repeat talking points which they use to brainwash people? if i like to be looked at, im not objectifying myself, its about power, somebody forces somebody else to watch, or to be naked, or in a panda costume or to something else, and you cant force a object to do something,because you allways force someone to do or not do against his will, and objects have no will by definition. |
You're obviously not getting the point and im not doing anything to brainwash anyone. I'm actually trying to get you to think deeper about the terms we're using by giving examples.
Tell me...if you saw someone, walked up to them told them they were beautiful and convinced them to have sex in a club is that not objectifying them no less than them saying yes because they felt similar to you?
Objectifying...does not literally mean something is an object...but rather is treated as something or someone that is of use. A prostitute is objectified...but is not an object...get it? They understand that they are objectified...but they are fine with it.
Last question. Have you ever taken a sociology class?
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Wow....I really feel for pinup models (or models in general which we use as muses). I mean...they aren't fictional characters like Samus...who many didnt even know was a female until fairly recently. Strippers should really watch out as well...not only women but men as well. Not only them but pornstars. People will never stop objectifying the other sex...its primal, especially by virtue of our sexual nature. Trust me...women can be just as bad as us in strip club. The problem is no one ever talks about it. Some people like...to be objectified, while some don't. They like to be looked at and a lot of people forget that there are many mentalities in this world. I've heard women talk about men they would definitely get with based off of physical appearance alone in front of their husband. As I said...its primal...when the conscious button shuts off it happens. The question is can you keep it at a healthy level and not endanger the rights or life of another. Admiring is fine, drawing character is artistic experession and should be taken from no one. Now if a man said a woman is worthless unless she puts out...thats sexist. Objectifying a person is not healthy for a professional relationship as well. It takes away the respect one would have for another had they been taken seriously in the first place. A chauvinist male is sexist. Friends with benefits is a form of objectification....so....where is the sexism in it? As I said its purely primal. It has nothing to do with respect, just pure blind attraction with no depth. |
Yeah, you clearly don't get what sexism is all about. It's a part of our society, and how we view females (and more specifically, their bodies). I look at the ladies. I can't help myself. But that's not sexism. Sexism is the portayls of wmoen, mostly in media. We show off their half naked bodies, having them moan as if having sex when they uses that shampoo in the ads, having them stand in awkward positions in a movie/ad/comic/game scen just so they can show of more of their ass and tits for the viewer. THAT'S sexism, and has nothing to do with us being animals and primal behavior.
EDIT: I couldn't find that video I mentioned, which really is a shame - it was great! It talked about potrayls of women in comics, and it tought me a lot.
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DanneSandin said:
hey, I'm not against naked ladies, not at all. The objectification lies in HOW she is potraited. Not that she's naked. |
you just CANT objectify a living human. an you will understan that easyly if you think about the difference between objects and subjects.
| DanneSandin said: Yeah, you clearly don't get what sexism is all about. It's a part of our society, and how we view females (and more specifically, their bodies). I look at the ladies. I can't help myself. But that's not sexism. Sexism is the portayls of wmoen, mostly in media. We show off their half naked bodies, having them moan as if having sex when they uses that shampoo in the ads, having them stand in awkward positions in a movie/ad/comic/game scen just so they can show of more of their ass and tits for the viewer. THAT'S sexism, and has nothing to do with us being animals and primal behavior. |
Bolded implies underlined. Because sex is hardwired in our brain, sex can be used to sell a product among other things. And a male is much more sensible to a visual sexual stimuls than a female. This is not a result of cultural influences, it's our nature.
| DanneSandin said: Yeah, you clearly don't get what sexism is all about. It's a part of our society, and how we view females (and more specifically, their bodies). I look at the ladies. I can't help myself. But that's not sexism. Sexism is the portayls of wmoen, mostly in media. We show off their half naked bodies, having them moan as if having sex when they uses that shampoo in the ads, having them stand in awkward positions in a movie/ad/comic/game scen just so they can show of more of their ass and tits for the viewer. THAT'S sexism, and has nothing to do with us being animals and primal behavior. EDIT: I couldn't find that video I mentioned, which really is a shame - it was great! It talked about potrayls of women in comics, and it tought me a lot. |
Sexism is a two way street. Of course because of society being male dominated it is a lopsided situation but women objectify us as well and we cannot stop it from happening. Sexism needs to stop...but Objectifying a person will not. Think I am lying? Guys like Channging Tatum gained fame with females because objectification, but as an actor/model seems to be completely safe with himself and believes in his talents. He opted to be in Magic Mike...and i've spoken to women before....they didnt go to watch that movie just to see him act. Think about it. He SUBJECTED himself to it because he IS a SEXUAL ENTITY. Much like some female actresses or models that we find to be attractive sexually...they exude sexual energy.
Everything you described has nothing to do with sexism, but rather art direction which the viewer who complained finds to be displeasing. I am an artist...I think I would know about art direction. Sexism is discrimination against the other sex. Making a woman moan in a movie isn't sexism, that by definition is called oversexualization.
For an artist to oversexualize is a artisitic choice...coming from the mind of a most likely overlysexual person.
Women are not so different. The problem is we act like they cannot be just as bad as us.
transitive verb
sexualized, sexualizin(third-person singular simple present oversexualizes, present participle oversexualizing, simple past and past participle oversexualized)
generic-user-1 said:
you just CANT objectify a living human. an you will understan that easyly if you think about the difference between objects and subjects. |
Yes you can. It happens all the time in ads.
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askel50 said:
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Did you know that most of the shopping for the household is by mom/the girl? So tell me again how a moaning woman in an ad will help sell a shampoo to another woman? Oh yeah, I forgot! All women must be bisexual... flawed argument. A lot of the sexualized ads are actually aimed towards other women
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DanneSandin said:
Did you know that most of the shopping for the household is by mom/the girl? So tell me again how a moaning woman in an ad will help sell a shampoo to another woman? Oh yeah, I forgot! All women must be bisexual... flawed argument. A lot of the sexualized ads are actually aimed towards other women |
In most case are aimed toward men, but when they do aim to women it's because it works. Some women want to buy a product that can make easier for them to attract a man. There are ads where males are used the same way. The male/female difference of treatment it's mainly due to the fact the male brain respond easily to this kind of stimulus.
DanneSandin said:
Yes you can. It happens all the time in ads. |
no it isnt. why should they objectify the people in ads? im buying the axe deo because the ad tells me its a way of getting (more) power over women. the shampo ad tells women they get more attractive to men with this shampo, etc.
where do you see objectification?
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