- what I meant is how is this design any good? You'd have a lot of game icons that are just game installs. On ps3 the game installs are hidden under the "game data" category not on the front hub. So say if I own a lot of games and want to find a specific game I have to scroll right through all the game installs just to find an actual game sometimes a game is stuck in between.  It's a terrible ui design. It is similar to the vita. 

- Where did I say anything about not knowing the updates?

- Download history that are recently downloaded. I can not find my purchase history. Of PS4 games that I "purchased " when I had ps plus on ps3. 

- That doesn't seem to work on all games 

- I was wondering where was the ps classic games (they do not exist).  Or course I'm not forced to play far cry. If I'd play that I would on pc but i dislike most ubisoft games especially ac and far cry. I was saying that they probably removed the feature so we are forced to use their terrible ps now service instead. Unless they would have a subscription plan for that service it is going to flop hard. The prices on it are outrageous.

This crappy thread has way more replies than it should.

So a well know provocateur made another flaming thread against something PlayStation, why does anyone care on his ''input' on PS4 when his posting history regarding anything PS related is already well known?

Game installs??????????? All your games installed shows, not archives not install games. I sincerely see no difference between this and PS3 besides one scrooing sideways and the other downway (on PS4 as said you can choose how many games it will show on it). Anyway I don't see how PS4 would be the worst ever for it when it didn't even existed prior to gen 7th. So it is better on it than any other system prior. And in no previous to 7th gen you could just choose from games installed on the console besides the 1 or 2 special games they preinstalled. And if you are worried about starting a game fast you can always just insert the disc and it will start.

Why would you be able to see the games bought/downloaded on PS3 if they aren't playable on PS4? It would create more confusion than anything else.

Have worked on all the games I tried. But that is dependant on the developer. The system is capable of play while install, but the dev must order the data in the right manner, so I don't see Sony fault on it... and that certainly is a feature no other console/computer/mobile had that prior to it. So I don't see how can it be the worst ever by having it and maybe some devs not using it.

As far as I know they are releasing PS1 games on it, maybe it will take some time... I don't bother with downloading most of them since I played already and have the original system and game to keep playing as I think for it to be worth everything must be in the same enviroment. The feature weren't available on the reveal, E3 or release so you can't accuse them of removing it, you may complain about it not having it. PS3 didn't had PS1 digital games altough it plays disc based. PS2 just worked on beggining of gen PS3 HW and we have little PS2 games available on PS3 without being an HD remake. And I fail to see how PSNow being not interesting to you makes the system the worst ever.

So if you think they were truthfull in the way you exposed them you weren't. Mostly were wrong, ill informed, not factual or irrelevant to the console itself. And well, it is hard to imagine PS4 being the worst system your ever had.

This crappy thread has way more replies than it should.

So a well know provocateur made another flaming thread against something PlayStation, why does anyone care on his ''input' on PS4 when his posting history regarding anything PS related is already well known?

I highly recommend playing suikoden 1 first I heard it's short too so you don't worry about it being long.

Transfer save to second game too, to have extra scenes (from what I've read)

Lucky I didn't miss out on Suikoden 1 I have a physical copy of it and I beat it once.  Not sure if I wan't to replay it though just for some tranfer data in the second game kinda busy with other games at the moment.

Well it's the first time I've bought a console and I haven't bought a single game yet. (I've bought it in october). So atm I could say the same. I'm waiting for Bloodoborne. The rest of the games I've seen so far are overpriced or/and just not good enough.

EDIT TO CLARIFY I DID NOT BUY A PS4 TO PLAY PS1 GAMES I BOUGHT IT FOR BLOODBORNE AND PERSONA. I BOUGHT THE WHITE ONE BEFORE IT GOES AWAY (DESTINY ONE)  

I got a ps4 and hardware wise it is lovely. It's whisper silent and the design looks great except that I didn't know where the power button is. 

It is..  However the worst console I've ever had (I don't have an Xbox one at the moment. But I have a wiiu and love it) 

It's not about the mandatory update since wiiu also had a SUPER long update and it was stupid. The ps4 one is super fast, I have the destiny edition (doubt I'll play the game but I bought it because it looked nice) 

The menu is pretty stupid. It's not something I'd see on a console. The games you played on disk for some reason stay at the start menu the vita has this same issue. You don't know if it's an install data or a downloadable game.

Where is the "play while it downloads" feature?  I wanted to play any game at all but I was just looking at downloads the whole time aside from playing driveclub (which is crap by the way) I have singstar downloaded it's the same thing as the ps3 app which is nice.

And then i realized something.... WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE Ps1 GAMES?!? WHERE THE FUCK IS THE "DOWNLOAD HISTORY" thing? I wanted to download suikoden and I wanted to see where all my stuff are. There isnt any so I'm just stuck playing generic overpriced shit like far cry and just wait for bloodborne to release. It is honestly the worst console I ever bought and I bought the freaking 3DO at least that one had road rush and need for speed.

I know i'm supposed to play ps4 games on ps4 but jeez it seems they released the consoles way too early and were just playing the waiting game. Everything seems to be unpolished, generic and extremely overpriced. And you can't even play your past games. no! you'd better use Playstation Now! (which is a huge scam at its current state.) 

Honestly if you're on the edge of buying a PS4, forget it. Wait about three years at least from now. The PS4 is horrible at the moment. Not even bloodborne is going to be worth buying this whole console.