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Kerotan on 08 November 2014

#8 X1 Unity Bundle $349
#13 PS4 Standalone $399
#26 X1 Limited COD Bundle $449
#38 PS4 Destiny Bundle $449

That's the hourly chart. MS have a big lead from the first week but it's turning out to be an epic battle now.



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Azzanation on 08 November 2014
Imaginedvl said:
Nate4Drake said:
Imaginedvl said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

I believe they know better than you do about that (bold) :)
More marketshare = more game, live, accessory sales = more money at the end...

MS know more than us, and sure they have more money than us :)       but a 1% more in market share never justify a huge loss of money with so many price cut and free games.     The problem for MS is that this lack of success was unaspected; they really believed in their product, they way they conceived it as an Ultimate entertainment system, XOne + Kinect2, but sadly for them it didn't work, so MS changed their mind, trying something---> Kinect-less One, free game into bundle, other price cut, but this has nothing to do with what you said, they are simply trying to not be utterly crushed by Sony, and save their face.  Even my cat knows that too many price cut and free games into bundle starting after only 4 months from release is not a very good signal.  They were not expecting PS4 to do so well and XOne to do so weak, that's all.  What they are doing now is just a consequence.  Don't call it a smart move please...

If Sega was the Company behind XOne, it would have ended like Sega Dreamcast !   But you know MS are rich, so it won't happen.

What signal are you talking about? The PS4 is selling more so they are doing some adjustment, simple as that. 

And from where this 1% is coming? You are making a LOT of assumptions here, one them being that Microsoft is in trouble with the Xbox One and that success can only be to beat the PS4...

Anything they do to increase their marketshare is a good move (of course you can also assume that they are stupid and have no idea about what they are doing) but the past 6 months after the initial fiasco (mainly because it was priced 100$ more than the PS4) has been nothing but improvments from Microsoft.

And yes, I do believe that the only reason the PS4 is far ahead is because of the price. You can bring the DRM stuff in the discussion or Kinect or the console being less powerful than the other one. But the reality is the main consumers does NOT care about this. Only forums freaks and hard core gamers. Now for Mr. everybody who goes to Walmart and needs to buy a new console, both are branded as "next gen console" than can run new games plus some awesome exclusives; that's it. But then, Mr. everybody will look at the price... And guess what? One of the two very similar next gen console is 100$ less than the other... Boom.

So yah, cutting the price is a smart move before the holidays. I'm not saying it is going to completly reverse the situation but it will definitly help them to gain more than 1% of marketshare in the USA. Sadly, Europe is another story. 

Finally Microsoft may be rich but it is not that simple. Shareholders wants to see results and they are looking at very basic formulas.
And so far, looking at the results, Microsoft is doing very fine. And the negatives seems to be very well aligned with the postives looking at the last Q numbers :)

People ignore LBP is becuase LBP is for kids. It sells more then Forza because its a kids game which has a wider audience. I am 29 and i dont want to play LBP even if it has a perfect metascore. I would rather play Halo MCC or Sunset. LBP is a good franchise but again if i was 12 years younger then i would consider it.



drewz19 on 08 November 2014
celador said:

#8 - Assassin's Creed Bundle

#13 - CoD Bundle

#20 - PS4

#22 - White Sunset Overdrive 

#30 - Xbox One  

#40 - Ass Creed w/ Kinect

#52 - Destiny PS4

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2014-11/videogames/?tag=viglink20241-20#1

I will update regularly throughout the month


Good for them, but its only been a week. We will see if they can hold off the ps4



Scientificreason on 08 November 2014

Anyone who thought x1 was going to easily win Nov based off a few days was kidding themselves. Ps4 is going to be huge black Friday. Ps4 is the market leader here. Ps4 will sell enough black Fri to erase any gains x1 had first week of Nov. Will be a close month.



Scientificreason on 08 November 2014
Azzanation said:
Imaginedvl said:
Nate4Drake said:
Imaginedvl said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

I believe they know better than you do about that (bold) :)
More marketshare = more game, live, accessory sales = more money at the end...

MS know more than us, and sure they have more money than us :)       but a 1% more in market share never justify a huge loss of money with so many price cut and free games.     The problem for MS is that this lack of success was unaspected; they really believed in their product, they way they conceived it as an Ultimate entertainment system, XOne + Kinect2, but sadly for them it didn't work, so MS changed their mind, trying something---> Kinect-less One, free game into bundle, other price cut, but this has nothing to do with what you said, they are simply trying to not be utterly crushed by Sony, and save their face.  Even my cat knows that too many price cut and free games into bundle starting after only 4 months from release is not a very good signal.  They were not expecting PS4 to do so well and XOne to do so weak, that's all.  What they are doing now is just a consequence.  Don't call it a smart move please...

If Sega was the Company behind XOne, it would have ended like Sega Dreamcast !   But you know MS are rich, so it won't happen.

What signal are you talking about? The PS4 is selling more so they are doing some adjustment, simple as that. 

And from where this 1% is coming? You are making a LOT of assumptions here, one them being that Microsoft is in trouble with the Xbox One and that success can only be to beat the PS4...

Anything they do to increase their marketshare is a good move (of course you can also assume that they are stupid and have no idea about what they are doing) but the past 6 months after the initial fiasco (mainly because it was priced 100$ more than the PS4) has been nothing but improvments from Microsoft.

And yes, I do believe that the only reason the PS4 is far ahead is because of the price. You can bring the DRM stuff in the discussion or Kinect or the console being less powerful than the other one. But the reality is the main consumers does NOT care about this. Only forums freaks and hard core gamers. Now for Mr. everybody who goes to Walmart and needs to buy a new console, both are branded as "next gen console" than can run new games plus some awesome exclusives; that's it. But then, Mr. everybody will look at the price... And guess what? One of the two very similar next gen console is 100$ less than the other... Boom.

So yah, cutting the price is a smart move before the holidays. I'm not saying it is going to completly reverse the situation but it will definitly help them to gain more than 1% of marketshare in the USA. Sadly, Europe is another story. 

Finally Microsoft may be rich but it is not that simple. Shareholders wants to see results and they are looking at very basic formulas.
And so far, looking at the results, Microsoft is doing very fine. And the negatives seems to be very well aligned with the postives looking at the last Q numbers :)

People ignore LBP is becuase LBP is for kids. It sells more then Forza because its a kids game which has a wider audience. I am 29 and i dont want to play LBP even if it has a perfect metascore. I would rather play Halo MCC or Sunset. LBP is a good franchise but again if i was 12 years younger then i would consider it.


Not just kids play lbp and who plays it us irrelevant.  It is a big and high rated franchise that allows Sony to target a different demographic.  Ms had nothing this fall for that demographic. 



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Scientificreason on 08 November 2014
Imaginedvl said:
Nate4Drake said:
Imaginedvl said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

I believe they know better than you do about that (bold) :)
More marketshare = more game, live, accessory sales = more money at the end...

MS know more than us, and sure they have more money than us :)       but a 1% more in market share never justify a huge loss of money with so many price cut and free games.     The problem for MS is that this lack of success was unaspected; they really believed in their product, they way they conceived it as an Ultimate entertainment system, XOne + Kinect2, but sadly for them it didn't work, so MS changed their mind, trying something---> Kinect-less One, free game into bundle, other price cut, but this has nothing to do with what you said, they are simply trying to not be utterly crushed by Sony, and save their face.  Even my cat knows that too many price cut and free games into bundle starting after only 4 months from release is not a very good signal.  They were not expecting PS4 to do so well and XOne to do so weak, that's all.  What they are doing now is just a consequence.  Don't call it a smart move please...

If Sega was the Company behind XOne, it would have ended like Sega Dreamcast !   But you know MS are rich, so it won't happen.

What signal are you talking about? The PS4 is selling more so they are doing some adjustment, simple as that. 

And from where this 1% is coming? You are making a LOT of assumptions here, one them being that Microsoft is in trouble with the Xbox One and that success can only be to beat the PS4...

Anything they do to increase their marketshare is a good move (of course you can also assume that they are stupid and have no idea about what they are doing) but the past 6 months after the initial fiasco (mainly because it was priced 100$ more than the PS4) has been nothing but improvments from Microsoft.

And yes, I do believe that the only reason the PS4 is far ahead is because of the price. You can bring the DRM stuff in the discussion or Kinect or the console being less powerful than the other one. But the reality is the main consumers does NOT care about this. Only forums freaks and hard core gamers. Now for Mr. everybody who goes to Walmart and needs to buy a new console, both are branded as "next gen console" than can run new games plus some awesome exclusives; that's it. But then, Mr. everybody will look at the price... And guess what? One of the two very similar next gen console is 100$ less than the other... Boom.

So yah, cutting the price is a smart move before the holidays. I'm not saying it is going to completly reverse the situation but it will definitly help them to gain more than 1% of marketshare in the USA. Sadly, Europe is another story. 

Finally Microsoft may be rich but it is not that simple. Shareholders wants to see results and they are looking at very basic formulas.
And so far, looking at the results, Microsoft is doing very fine. And the negatives seems to be very well aligned with the postives looking at the last Q numbers :)

If the main reason was price the ps4 would not be still outselling x1 despite being the same price,  last few months x1 has been cheaper.  There is a lot more to it then price.  Ps3 outsold 360 despite being more expensive ww.  It is never as simple as price.  If price was it wiiu would be doing gang busters. 



NobleTeam360 on 08 November 2014
jlmurph2 said:
CosmicSex said:
jlmurph2 said:


You can use any US amazon account to buy codes.


How? It clearly says you need a US billing address, not just a US account, and since billing addresses are connected to payments,  you are insisting that PSN cards Amazon domination are basically acts of fraud.  Or not all of it but most of it? 


By using a method of payment such as a gift card/debit card as long as you set up a US billing address. Plenty of people switch their payment methods or console accounts to US for anything that costs more in their own country. Which is a lot of things. And the people that know most about it are on the internet constantly. 

Amazon and Play-Asia are the easiest ways to get digital online codes. Amazon started selling codes last year (I think) so people took advantage.

There's even articles on it: http://wololo.net/2013/06/27/how-to-purchase-us-psn-cards-from-amazon-when-you-dont-live-in-the-us/

Yeah I thought this was common knowlegde, I see Europeans say they always buy PSN cards off Amazon US all the time. Which is why it's always in the top 3 positions on Amazon.com.



UltimateGamer1982 on 08 November 2014

Was just at gamestop today shopping for Christmas gifts and saw lbp3 posters everywhere advertising pre orders and the sackboy plush with it. And this was right at the checkout too for everyone to see it and buy it. This will be a big seller make no mistake.

Not to mention "only on PlayStation" was in big bold letters too. And yes I pre ordered.



Kerotan on 08 November 2014
NobleTeam360 said:
jlmurph2 said:
CosmicSex said:
jlmurph2 said:


You can use any US amazon account to buy codes.


How? It clearly says you need a US billing address, not just a US account, and since billing addresses are connected to payments,  you are insisting that PSN cards Amazon domination are basically acts of fraud.  Or not all of it but most of it? 


By using a method of payment such as a gift card/debit card as long as you set up a US billing address. Plenty of people switch their payment methods or console accounts to US for anything that costs more in their own country. Which is a lot of things. And the people that know most about it are on the internet constantly. 

Amazon and Play-Asia are the easiest ways to get digital online codes. Amazon started selling codes last year (I think) so people took advantage.

There's even articles on it: http://wololo.net/2013/06/27/how-to-purchase-us-psn-cards-from-amazon-when-you-dont-live-in-the-us/

Yeah I thought this was common knowlegde, I see Europeans say they always buy PSN cards off Amazon US all the time. Which is why it's always in the top 3 positions on Amazon.com.

it is very hard to buy US cards from outside the US now. I tried doing the change billing adress with a credit card and it wouldn't work. Paypal the same. You need a card that is tied to a US bank now or a paypal with the same. 



binary solo on 08 November 2014
GTAexpert said:
Drakrami said:
GTAexpert said:
XB1 doing very well in the US, as I expected. My prediction seems to be right.


What's ur prediction? They will start to sell more xboxs after a price cut? 

 

Wow you are great. 

If you don't know crap, don't talk crap.

We don't need idiots like you on this site.

And we don't need people calling each other idiots either. Stay on message.

OT. Looks like PS4 will be ahead of CoD bundle in the next update. There seems to be an increasing gap between these 2 on the hourlies. When we hit Black Friday I don't think there will be any credibility to suggestions of 2:1 in favour of Xb one on Amazon. But it is pretty interesting that Xb one has maintained a 2:1 position for as long as it has.



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