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Forums - Sales Discussion - Amazon US Monthly bestsellers tracking thread November - Updated 29/11 - GTAV bundle in at 17

GTA 5 PS4 selling V. well on amazon. It will give PS4 a nice boost. As will Far Cry 4. Sony just need to win BF and Nov will be close.



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biglittlesps said:
thx1139 said:
biglittlesps said:

Exclusives are not selling consoles and its 3rd party games more along with price and diverse library. Look at PS4 first year which did outsell XB1 2:1 WW so far without notable exclusives where MS had many exclusives so far but it did not work so they desperately went to price cuts and free games to compete with PS4. Also right now sony is not doing any promotions like MS yet still PS4 doing great at that price, soon in a week PS4 is going to bring their bundles of Far cry  4, GTA V and LBP3 which will push the PS4 more than XB1 for last two weeks. 

PS4 has great start from 2015 with three exclusives and 3rd party advantage like they had so far from great games like Witcher 3, Batman etc., but Microsoft has nothing annouced to release for first half of 2015 yet which attracts users like they do with MCC, SO and price cuts(they are brining back price to normal from Jan).

As for Black Friday. So far it doesnt look like any extra deals. The only Black Friday advertisement with the PS4 is the GTAV/Last of Us Bundle for $400 or the LBP/Lego Batman Bundle for $400 from Meijer with a $50 instore credit for future purchase.  At the same time Meijer has the X1 AC Bundle for $330 and also gets the $50 instore credit.

I know but we have rumours that Sony is planning big for Black friday with some bundle deals because GTA V, LBP 3 and Far Cry 4 is releasing on 18 close to black friday, so many people are going to hold their purchases for black friday instead of buying GTA V and Far Cry 4 bundles. So sony is planning to do promotions from black friday instead of week before the game release.

Rumours presented in gaming forums are nothing that the general public are aware of. Particularly when what is really being presented are not rumours but theoritcal counter offers.  Sony fans hoping/expecting that Sony is going to present some deal to retailers which results in the PS4 being temporarily sold for say $50 off is not a rumour it is just speculation.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

GTAexpert said:
AkimboCurly said:
X1 is having a real party this holiday season. We all know why. It's exclusive games. Playstation has no notable ones all season, until 2015 with Bloodborne. X1 has Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizons, Halo TMCC and CoD exclusive content working for it. As well as in 2015 Quantum Break, Scalebound, Crackdown as well as undoubedly more to announce. This is good news for all single-platform gamers. Execs at Microsoft have realised, and Sony execs (having seen the sales) will too realise that exclusive games are selling consoles this gen. More than seemingly ever before. We can expect an increase in quality and quantity of Exclusive games from both companies looking into the future. This is good news!

PS4 has many exclusives this holiday and next year which you've missed on purpose.

Ps4 has exclusives this holiday?? And they are?? Driveclub? Lol. Little big planet 3? Lulz. Better pray that GTA 5 bundle is real for black Friday or Microsoft dominates. Nobody is buying driveclub lol. 

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todd2r said:
GTAexpert said:
AkimboCurly said:
X1 is having a real party this holiday season. We all know why. It's exclusive games. Playstation has no notable ones all season, until 2015 with Bloodborne. X1 has Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizons, Halo TMCC and CoD exclusive content working for it. As well as in 2015 Quantum Break, Scalebound, Crackdown as well as undoubedly more to announce. This is good news for all single-platform gamers. Execs at Microsoft have realised, and Sony execs (having seen the sales) will too realise that exclusive games are selling consoles this gen. More than seemingly ever before. We can expect an increase in quality and quantity of Exclusive games from both companies looking into the future. This is good news!

PS4 has many exclusives this holiday and next year which you've missed on purpose.

Ps4 has exclusives this holiday?? And they are?? Driveclub? Lol. Little big planet 3? Lulz. Better pray that GTA 5 bundle is real for black Friday or Microsoft dominates. Nobody is buying driveclub lol. 

It's not exclusives driving Xbox One sales this holiday...it's the pricuts and free games. 



AkimboCurly said:
X1 is having a real party this holiday season. We all know why. It's exclusive games. Playstation has no notable ones all season, until 2015 with Bloodborne. X1 has Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizons, Halo TMCC and CoD exclusive content working for it. As well as in 2015 Quantum Break, Scalebound, Crackdown as well as undoubedly more to announce. This is good news for all single-platform gamers. Execs at Microsoft have realised, and Sony execs (having seen the sales) will too realise that exclusive games are selling consoles this gen. More than seemingly ever before. We can expect an increase in quality and quantity of Exclusive games from both companies looking into the future. This is good news!


Joke post?   Driveclub outsold forza and lbp is a  bigger seller then either forza or sunset.  If you ignore the rest of the year,  and ignore Indies x1 might have more exclusives,  overall it does not.  Sony spread there releases,  Ms had, 9 months after Titan fall without a notable exclusive.  

 

So only fall games count?  What will you say in Feb when Sony has the order and bloodborne,  while ms had another drought? 2015 for ps4 is loaded.  

 

Xi us selling because of bundles and a price drop. People don't buy consoles for just exclusives,  in fact they never mattered less.

 

This x1 had more games narrative is nonsense and simply false.  



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Poor Microsoft having to resort to giving away their console before anyone will buy it. Since free always beats money, no wonder it saw an increase this week.

Meanwhile Sony stays strong without cutting price or giving away games for free. That really shows just how bad it is for Xbox this gen.



Nate4Drake said:
Imaginedvl said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

I believe they know better than you do about that (bold) :)
More marketshare = more game, live, accessory sales = more money at the end...

MS know more than us, and sure they have more money than us :)       but a 1% more in market share never justify a huge loss of money with so many price cut and free games.     The problem for MS is that this lack of success was unaspected; they really believed in their product, they way they conceived it as an Ultimate entertainment system, XOne + Kinect2, but sadly for them it didn't work, so MS changed their mind, trying something---> Kinect-less One, free game into bundle, other price cut, but this has nothing to do with what you said, they are simply trying to not be utterly crushed by Sony, and save their face.  Even my cat knows that too many price cut and free games into bundle starting after only 4 months from release is not a very good signal.  They were not expecting PS4 to do so well and XOne to do so weak, that's all.  What they are doing now is just a consequence.  Don't call it a smart move please...

If Sega was the Company behind XOne, it would have ended like Sega Dreamcast !   But you know MS are rich, so it won't happen.

What signal are you talking about? The PS4 is selling more so they are doing some adjustment, simple as that. 

And from where this 1% is coming? You are making a LOT of assumptions here, one them being that Microsoft is in trouble with the Xbox One and that success can only be to beat the PS4...

Anything they do to increase their marketshare is a good move (of course you can also assume that they are stupid and have no idea about what they are doing) but the past 6 months after the initial fiasco (mainly because it was priced 100$ more than the PS4) has been nothing but improvments from Microsoft.

And yes, I do believe that the only reason the PS4 is far ahead is because of the price. You can bring the DRM stuff in the discussion or Kinect or the console being less powerful than the other one. But the reality is the main consumers does NOT care about this. Only forums freaks and hard core gamers. Now for Mr. everybody who goes to Walmart and needs to buy a new console, both are branded as "next gen console" than can run new games plus some awesome exclusives; that's it. But then, Mr. everybody will look at the price... And guess what? One of the two very similar next gen console is 100$ less than the other... Boom.

So yah, cutting the price is a smart move before the holidays. I'm not saying it is going to completly reverse the situation but it will definitly help them to gain more than 1% of marketshare in the USA. Sadly, Europe is another story. 

Finally Microsoft may be rich but it is not that simple. Shareholders wants to see results and they are looking at very basic formulas.
And so far, looking at the results, Microsoft is doing very fine. And the negatives seems to be very well aligned with the postives looking at the last Q numbers :)



todd2r said:
GTAexpert said:
AkimboCurly said:
X1 is having a real party this holiday season. We all know why. It's exclusive games. Playstation has no notable ones all season, until 2015 with Bloodborne. X1 has Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizons, Halo TMCC and CoD exclusive content working for it. As well as in 2015 Quantum Break, Scalebound, Crackdown as well as undoubedly more to announce. This is good news for all single-platform gamers. Execs at Microsoft have realised, and Sony execs (having seen the sales) will too realise that exclusive games are selling consoles this gen. More than seemingly ever before. We can expect an increase in quality and quantity of Exclusive games from both companies looking into the future. This is good news!

PS4 has many exclusives this holiday and next year which you've missed on purpose.

Ps4 has exclusives this holiday?? And they are?? Driveclub? Lol. Little big planet 3? Lulz. Better pray that GTA 5 bundle is real for black Friday or Microsoft dominates. Nobody is buying driveclub lol. 

Nobody is buying forza then either considering DC outsold it.  Lbp lowest meta is 91. First one sold 5 million.  Great game and a very good seller and targets a different demographic.  People keep ignoring lbp make me laugh. Lbp is a bigger name then sunset or forza. 



Nate4Drake said:
Imaginedvl said:
mutantclown said:
The more it sells, the more they lose. The percentage of market share they may gain by doing this in the short run won't justify the loss.

I believe they know better than you do about that (bold) :)
More marketshare = more game, live, accessory sales = more money at the end...

MS know more than us, and sure they have more money than us :)       but a 1% more in market share never justify a huge loss of money with so many price cut and free games.     The problem for MS is that this lack of success was unaspected; they really believed in their product, they way they conceived it as an Ultimate entertainment system, XOne + Kinect2, but sadly for them it didn't work, so MS changed their mind, trying something---> Kinect-less One, free game into bundle, other price cut, but this has nothing to do with what you said, they are simply trying to not be utterly crushed by Sony, and save their face.  Even my cat knows that too many price cut and free games into bundle starting after only 4 months from release is not a very good signal.  They were not expecting PS4 to do so well and XOne to do so weak, that's all.  What they are doing now is just a consequence.  Don't call it a smart move please...

If Sega was the Company behind XOne, it would have ended like Sega Dreamcast !   But you know MS are rich, so it won't happen.


MS got caught with their pants down. It was supposed to be released this year with the MCC being the main launch title. Last generation if im not mistaken PS3 lost close to $200 on each console sold and burned all the cash made from PS1 and 2 iirc. You dont think MS is doing that do you? The PS survived. Both those pricecuts had to happen. Take the loss on the front end make it up on the back end. 

I also think the 360 hasnt been cut just to soften the blow of this generation leading up to it. 



Wow Sony already passed the cod bundle for the month with only the ac bundle left. It should pass it next week or the next. Going to be a huge month of sales once the black Friday bundle sales get released. If it's almost even now, black Friday will crush Xbox one sales with gta5 and last of us for only $399.