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oniyide on 03 November 2014
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Vena said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Nintendo hurt their chances with third parties by mostly ignoring them for their own philosophies. Nintendo used to rule over them when they barely had any competition in the 90's and they had no choice but to bend over to Nintendo since they had the mass marketshare. Ubisoft, Epic and EA were all begging console manufacturers to make sure they had 8GB of ram and updated specs so they could run the higher end games they plan on making. Of course Nintendo had their own plans and paid the piper for it. Third parties do not need to answer to anyone. The manufacturers answer to them.

Stop saying "third parties". Its AAA.

Third parties exist fine and dandy on the WiiU/3DS, they just don't have budgets that can skewer the moon.

Youre half way there. Third party aaa titles are the issue and third parties made it clear that no one was getting them unless they followed suit with console power.

 

Third parties support the 3ds because the games are cheaper to develop and the risk is lower but the install base is very high. Nintendo barely has competition and they always thrive off of that just as they did on consoles before the playstation came.

oh please the WIi U is barely getting anything. AAA or otherwise to say it is, is imho a co op. Thats one of WIi U's problems it isnt even getting the A stuff or B.

FOr instance I wouldnt consider Alien Isolation AAA but that didnt come to WIi U. Hell that new Persona game just came out didnt make its way to WIi U.



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flagstaad on 03 November 2014

1. They need to recover sports games, at least the basic ones, soccer and football.
2. They need ports of the mayor releases, hopefully with some exclusive content.
3. They need a major western RPG as an exclusive, in the lines of Skyrim or Fallout, so people can't live without them
4. They need a steady flow of games

That should do it.



Deeds on 03 November 2014
Soundwave said:
Deeds said:

People just dont understand Nintendo's business strategy. Nintendo creates software, that while on the surface people may ridicule, that ridicule paves the way for them to conrtol it (have a monopoly) if it turns into a hit. The ridicule is a barrier that is set up to prevent others from entering. A perfect example of this is Smash Bros. Instead of making another Virtua Figher or Street Fighter clone, they created a fun quirkly little game that no third party dev would even think of making because it looked "gay".

Now since Smash became a hit, Sony who built their marketing on "mature" tried to copy it with PASBR and it exploded in thier face. So, no one can make a successful Mario Kart or Smash clone. BAM, monoply money printed. If Nintendo went down the "I'm so cool" route with their software, that would be easy to copy, and then thier monoply would be broken quickly. Look at Virtua Fighter, it is essentially dead while VF clones like Dead or Alive are still selling and thriving.

EDIT Splatoon is clearly a continuation of this strategy.


Splatoon needs to be a hit first. Easy to forget that games like Mario Kart and Smash Brothers were birthed on relatively successful platforms (the SNES and N64), the Wii U has nowhere close to the userbase of those systems. 

And Nintendo did create a Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat clone, it was called Killer Instinct and it was fairly successful until the 2D fighting genre as a whole fizzled out. 

Smash started on N64, which sold less than the SNES and the NES and it still turned into a hit. Heh, I remember the days when people said the N64 was Nintendo's last console. There were also people saying Smash will never be a hit beacause the N64s sales were too low. As for Killer Instinct, wasn't that Rareware's game?



Deeds on 03 November 2014
oniyide said:
Deeds said:

The third party devs in the west (except maybe Ubisoft) are clueless as how to succeed on a Nintendo platform. Some Japanese devs (Tecmo Koei, Namco, Capcom, Level-5) have an little idea of how to do it. I hope the Japanese devs continue to try, because as Nintendo has shown with Wii U and 3DS, big profits can be made for those who are patient and persistent.


Do they now? What games are these companies putting out for the WIi U soon? There own games, not something Ninty paid them to do like a fancy mercenary. THe next Resident Evil is skipping BOTH Ninty platforms as far as I know. Doesnt seem the new Tekken is heading to WIi U either. 

Namco and Capcom has figured out that to be successful on a Nintendo console, you have to parther with Nintendo and create exclusive software that targets their audience. Resident Evil fits neither decsription. Capcom's strategy towards Resident Evil makes sense. Why do you bring up Tekken? Tekken like RE wont be successful on a Nintendo console where most of that audience is busy with Smash. Again, Pokken is the right direction for Namco. Third party devs thinking they can compete with Nintendo's own software on their own hardware with multiplatform games are for lack of a better word "foolish".



StuOhQ on 03 November 2014

Make generic first-person shooters.



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Frogger on 03 November 2014

Make movies and T.V. Metroid movie. Make it a blockbuster like the Avengers movies. Star Fox T.V. show. Etc. Build an empire with their I.P. that matches Disney and Marvel. THEN make the games. That's how Pokemon got so huge. That how it all will. Sega's getting it with Sonic Boom. Nintendo needs to do the same. Amiibo isn't enough. Not with their limited installed base. With T.V. and movies, they have access to a nearly limitless installed base.



Qwark on 03 November 2014

The idea has potential and it would be awesome to see some marvel characters in smash. However if Nintendo wants to appeal to the West it needs new IP's. A racer for Europe and a FPS and a TPS for US. Next gen Nintendo has to get some third party support back and be the most powerful system in the market, with the most attractive hardware, gamers go to where the hardware is best for third party, (see PS4).

If Nintendo does the things listed above and makes a new (super)franchise possibly one featuring the avengers or something, it could become a relevant contender for MS and Sony in the console war, instead of a Switzerland which is doing his own thing and therefor sells not to well, except for the wii.



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Soundwave on 03 November 2014
spemanig said:
Make movies and T.V. Metroid movie. Make it a blockbuster like the Avengers movies. Star Fox T.V. show. Etc. Build an empire with their I.P. that matches Disney and Marvel. THEN make the games. That's how Pokemon got so huge. That how it all will. Sega's getting it with Sonic Boom. Nintendo needs to do the same. Amiibo isn't enough. Not with their limited installed base. With T.V. and movies, they have access to a nearly limitless installed base.

Even in that scenario, Disney would not be a bad ally to have if Nintendo's goal is to go that route. They could finance Nintendo based movies and animated shows, they could even make Nintendo-based attractions at their theme parks that are visited by millions and millions of people every year. 



oniyide on 03 November 2014
Deeds said:
oniyide said:
Deeds said:

The third party devs in the west (except maybe Ubisoft) are clueless as how to succeed on a Nintendo platform. Some Japanese devs (Tecmo Koei, Namco, Capcom, Level-5) have an little idea of how to do it. I hope the Japanese devs continue to try, because as Nintendo has shown with Wii U and 3DS, big profits can be made for those who are patient and persistent.


Do they now? What games are these companies putting out for the WIi U soon? There own games, not something Ninty paid them to do like a fancy mercenary. THe next Resident Evil is skipping BOTH Ninty platforms as far as I know. Doesnt seem the new Tekken is heading to WIi U either. 

Namco and Capcom has figured out that to be successful on a Nintendo console, you have to parther with Nintendo and create exclusive software that targets their audience. Resident Evil fits neither decsription. Capcom's strategy towards Resident Evil makes sense. Why do you bring up Tekken? Tekken like RE wont be successful on a Nintendo console where most of that audience is busy with Smash. Again, Pokken is the right direction for Namco. Third party devs thinking they can compete with Nintendo's own software on their own hardware with multiplatform games are for lack of a better word "foolish".


yeah i was wondering about this whole competing thing? it doesnt make sense. It never made sense. It is just something that people made up to justify why a game doesnt do well on a Nintendo console. COD in no way competes with anything Nintendo puts on its system because it doesnt make anything like it. Assassin's Creed, Need for Speed, Resident Evil, Tekken. Its fallacy, hell there are LOT of genres that Ninty doesnt even touch. RPGs(western style) 3rd person shooters. FPSs, adventure/action games (ala TombRaider & Uncharted), fighting games (im putting it down because Smash plays very different than other fighters). Racing games (not kart) Sport sims.

If anything these games should do well since they otherwise wouldnt exist on Ninty console since Ninty isnt making those games anyway. As for your strategy. No Thats not a strategy. Its simply Ninty walking up to these guys giving them some money to produce a game FOR them. They are not for 3rd parties. I highly doubt these companies are going to Nintendo im sure its Nintendo going to THEM. No 3rd party is at the beck and call of Ninty. THey dotn need to be. I brought up Tekken and Resident Evil because they are two of the companies biggest series respectively. They put Tekken Tag on there and a Tekken game on 3ds...last year they both flopped and dont pretend it had anything to do with Smash there was enough distance in release where one wouldnt effect the other, hell the WIi U one hasnt even released yet. Funny how every Ninty system since N64 (GB series notwithstanding) has hosted a Resident Evil game or two. Now all of a sudden its not a good fit? interesting.



Deeds on 03 November 2014

If anyone hasn't realized yet, this thread and its title is pretty funny and makes no sense. Considering that Nintendo's hardware and software consistently sells better in the west than Japan, as a Japanese company they are already appealing to a lot of westerners. It's like asking the Rolling Stones what they can do to appeal to Americans just because James Brown happens to be popular. If you went to the Rolling Stones and said to them, "you should make funk music", they would laugh you out of the room.