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BlueFalcon said:

The biggest flaw in the OP's argument is that he doesn't consider the cost of owning the entire platform, including the cost of games and cost of the monitor/TV. In other words, the cost of gaming is NOT just the cost of console/PC rig hardware unless you pirate games and TVs/monitors are given to you by your parents. Once taking into account a gamer who purchases 10-20 games a year over the course of the console's life, the money left over is MORE than enough to upgrade your PC 2-3x over the useful life of the console.

Secondly, it is not required to upgrade your PC that often as it was in the past. For example, a Core i5 2500K/2600K is still a very fast gaming CPU 4 years since it launched. What this tell us is that you only needed to upgrade your graphics card in the last 4 years but the CPU is still plenty fast. There is no need to get more than 8GB of memory for games either, while a solid monitor and PSU will last 7-10 years. PC gamers upgrade their monitor to higher resolution not because they have to but because they want to experience higher graphical details/fidelity.

Thirdly, touching on point #2, I have not lived with my parents since 18. When I moved out to university, I didn't own a TV but I needed a computer for school. I much preferred taking notes in university by hand since science has proven that when you take notes down by hand-writing them, you retain much more information in your lectures. Thus, contrary to the decision made by most students going to college today, I not only saved money by getting a desktop for university work, but I maximized my learning through note taking and listening in class instead of typing on a laptop and missing 95% of the information during the lecture. This point is important because a carefully built desktop PC can be turned into a gaming PC with just a graphics card upgrade. In essence, I now only upgrade my CPU platform with motherboard/memory every 5 years and GPUs more frequently. This lets me minimize my upgrade costs. I resell my old hardware and buy NEW hardware. Even with that, the cost of ownership of new computer parts is rather low because of how well Intel i5/i7 CPUs keep their value. Therefore, for me to game on a console, I'd have to go out and spend $1000-2000 on a good 50-70 inch LCD/Plasma. This adds a tremendous amount of cost to console gaming. I guess if you are < 18 and still live with your parents and you love watching TV, then you already have a TV so you do not consider a TV into the cost of gaming.

Fourthly, the cost of games vs. the PC is staggering. Console games in Canada are now $70, which after tax is nearly $80 CDN. Even if you wait for the game to go on sale, it will NEVER even come close to (1) how quickly games drop in value on the PC and (2) how much of a discount you get on the PC over time. You simply cannot buy new AAA games on PS4/XB1 for $5-15 12-15 months after launch but on the PC this is common. Tomb Raider, Borderlands 2, Darksiders 2, Batman Arkham Origins, Witcher 2, BF4, Mirror's Edge, etc. all have already been $5 on the PC.

Furthermore, the argument that console's have a major advantage in terms of exclusives doesn't take into account that PCs also have amazing exclusives specifically in the strategy and MMO genres, as well as the ability to mod games such as Skyrim or STALKER Complete Mod. It's not fair to give bonus points for consoles for their exclusives but ignore customization of games and exclusives on the PC.

The advantage of ease of use and plug and play also is exaggerated. Nothing stops a person from buying a DS4 or XB360/XB1 controller and using Steam Picture on their large TV in the living room. One can also build a small form factor PC with cases not much larger than XB1.

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I am strongly of the view that for someone who truly enjoys gaming, you should own a PC and a console(s). Simply owning one or the other precludes you from enjoying the best controls/fast movement that PC offers in FPS games, while missing out on consoles prevents you from enjoying some games with your friends as well as console exclusives.

However, strictly from a cost of ownership perspective, ignoring the MASSIVE price disparity of games on the PC is what makes the argument that one should compare a $350-400 console vs. a $350-400 PC worthless. This only works if a person never took finance/accounting and doesn't understand the concept of total ownership cost. If you are comparing the cost of some hobby, you have to take into account the entire cost of gaming. This is where a $1000 PC + $500-1000 in upgrades over 8 years actually doesn't end up costing much more (if at all) vs. a $400 console and $60-70 games. It also doesn't take into account that some PC users wait 1-2 years to pick up a new game much cheaper which also means GPU power has caught up/prices have dropped which allows very cheap upgrades. For instance, in February 2013, NV sold the Titan GPU for $1000. Today you can purchase that level of performance in a $230-250 Radeon R9 290. No one forces anyone to buy cutting edge graphics all the time. There is a smart way to manage your PC upgrades.

Finally, the argument fails to take into account that the graphics and performance of PC games (60 fps+) is just superior in many cases to console gaming when it comes to cross-platform games. As a result it's basically pointless to purchase games like AC Unity or Tomb Raider or Shadow of Mordor on consoles since the PC will provide superior controls, performance and graphics, at a lower cost to purchase the game. Most console gamers just haven't thought about the total cost of owning a console perhaps because they don't get the concept or since they live with their parents where the TV is basically a $0 cost to them.

The biggest flaw with your argument is that you do not understand what I am even talking about. This is not about the cost of owning the platform. Cost of games or whatever else you may want to factor in.

Its about comparing PC graphics to console graphics. Its about about a point where such comparisons are justifiable. Everytime you see a PC gamer comparing their version of a game to a console version, is the argument about how their version is cheaper or is it about how it looks? Is it about which version was easier to get started or which version looks better.

Exactly, so all I am saying.. is that if such comparisons are being made, then is it asking too much that all concerned should consider the cost of the components that make up the hardware in question?

Its really telling that every PC gamer seems to jump to PC gamers being cheaper as a justification for the higher cost of entry to igh performance PC gaming. Well, let me just say this now loud and clear. This is not about how much your rig costs and how much of a better deal it is in 4 years. This is about how much that screen shot you just put up to compare to mine costs.



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reggin_bolas said:
Believe it or not but PC's have a greater failure rate and are more expensive to replace than consoles. The Rrod being an anomaly of course.

Games are more likely to crash on PCs as well.

So the point here is it makes more sense to play games you otherwise can't play on consoles like strategy games and MOBAS.

For all other games, including console exclusives and FPS, stick to consoles for a more user friendly and inexpensive option.

No way. Console gaming is very expensive. 

This is just a snapshot.  The cost of buying PC games is so much cheaper than console games that over 100 games purchased, you save thousands of dollars. The less games that are purchased on console and the more on the PC, the better off a gamer is in terms of costs. The most cost effective way to be a gamer is to buy all cross-platforms games on the PC. Consoles gaming = sports, exclusives and some must have multi-player with friends. That's it. 

For every $20-30 console game you buy, I can buy 3-4 AAA games on the PC. Next week NV will bundle AC Unity with their graphics cards which means Steam coupons will be going for $25-30 on EBay while in Canada AC Unity will cost me $79 CDN at Futureshop. 



reggin_bolas said:
Believe it or not but PC's have a greater failure rate and are more expensive to replace than consoles. The Rrod being an anomaly of course.

The only PC parts I had to replace in the last decade due to failure were my BD/DVD-ROM (20 €) an my good'old Microsoft-Habu-mouse after 8 years... the new mouse costed 25 € and is even much better than the old one.

And a replacement of a broken optical drive in a console is much costlier than in a modualr PC.



You really can't compare the "cost" factor of PC's to consoles', because most people that drop a good cash on their PCs use their computers for work too. I recovered the $1000USD I invested on my PC in a month, and that's counting the GPU, which was not needed for the kind of work I do. Now, how long does it take to recover the money you spent on the PS4/XBone? Unless you're someone like PewDiePie, you never will. Also, let's remember that the games are more expensive, and once you've bought 100+ games, the difference starts to show.

In any case, consoles are just a different market. For PCs the user needs certain sets of skills and knowledge to make it work that most console-only users won't care to have.



I'll choose consoles anytime. Sure, PC have the power advantage over the console, and that's a fact. But I don't have to deal with assembling every part of a rig and dealing with software problems here and there. Also, I do enjoy the plug and play aspect consoles provide.

Months ago, I started playing Warframe with a friend who convinced me to play. I know a free to play game is not the best example, but I wasn't willing to spend money on a game when I have a laptop that doesn't possess a good graphics card. Playing with a twitchy mouse was a nightmare, not to mention the horrendous input lag. I managed to connect a PS3 controller and it sorta worked, still with input lag. Then, I started getting connection problems and I couldn't connect to my friend. I stopped playing.

Something that cemented my choice to game in consoles was when I saw the minimum requirements for Assassin's Creed: Unity minimal requirements, and PC gamers were angry, claiming that they didn't have the graphics card necessary to play the game effectively. Sure, it's Ubisoft's fault for poorly optimizing it. Sure, one can play with a rig that's lower than the requirements (that's what I did with Warframe), but the game won't play on all it's glory. And I won't spend $500 every 4-5 years to update my rig.

I'm not bashing the PC at all. I'm just basing my opinion by firsthand experience. For me, consoles are the way to go.



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Intrinsic said:
  1. These are the exactkinda semantics that PC gamers bring into every argument. The cost of games is irrelevant. 

 

There is no point of this thread going any further. You simply don't understand the cost of gaming as a hobby or choose to be ignorant about it. I'll just continue buying AAA PC games at $5-10 and using that money to buy awesome PC hardware to enjoy superior performance, graphics and controls, while you continue defending console gaming. In the end, I've done the calculations too many times to know that PC gaming is cheaper the more games you purchase. If all you do is buy COD and Madden, then sure console gaming may be cheaper. But I'd consider that person to be a casual gamer. Some PC gamers have 300-600 games on Steam but according to you the cost of games is irrelevant as if they magically fall out of the sky.

My position doesn't even take into account that AMD graphics made $$$ by mining bitcoins since Radeon HD4870 days in 2008. I just transferred > $8000 CDN that my Radeon cards made me when not gaming --> I basically mined coins and exchanged them to CDN currency and then wired it to my bank account. So besides cheaper console games, my AMD videocards made me $20,000 in bitcoin mining since I started 6 years ago. But I guess you had no clue this was possible with PC graphics cards either. I guess it's better to be ignorant about the capabilities that PC has to offer outside of games since you aren't open minded about the entire concept of PC gaming.



BlueFalcon said:
reggin_bolas said:
Believe it or not but PC's have a greater failure rate and are more expensive to replace than consoles. The Rrod being an anomaly of course.

Games are more likely to crash on PCs as well.

So the point here is it makes more sense to play games you otherwise can't play on consoles like strategy games and MOBAS.

For all other games, including console exclusives and FPS, stick to consoles for a more user friendly and inexpensive option.

No way. Console gaming is very expensive. 

This is just a snapshot.  The cost of buying PC games is so much cheaper than console games that over 100 games purchased, you save thousands of dollars. The less games that are purchased on console and the more on the PC, the better off a gamer is in terms of costs. The most cost effective way to be a gamer is to buy all cross-platforms games on the PC. Consoles gaming = sports, exclusives and some must have multi-player with friends. That's it. 

For every $20-30 console game you buy, I can buy 3-4 AAA games on the PC. Next week NV will bundle AC Unity with their graphics cards which means Steam coupons will be going for $25-30 on EBay while in Canada AC Unity will cost me $79 CDN at Futureshop. 

The games are universally cheaper yes but I was talking about the whole experience. When you factor in the cost of hardware and games, pc gaming is a lot mor expensive. Plus, if you sell or trade your games like I do, you can save big bucks. You can't trade in pc games. 

 



HollyGamer said:
Pemalite said:
HollyGamer said:

Well it's fair and logic for console to have a debate which one better, most PC gamer who is really (most of the time) is Obnoxious is like an adult people who joint in teenage fight Lol. If people having a debate which console is powerfull is fair but what make people dont like is there is always people who come to troll on console debate with saying PC "is better then both". :D hah


But that is like arguing why the sky is blue.

Everyone, even their pet cat understands the Playstation 4 is faster than the Xbox One and that the Xbox One is faster than the WiiU, there is zero need for those points to be rubbed in, regardless of how factually correct it is.
Yet, suddenly the world ends when someone says the PC is faster than the PS4? It's all as obvious as each other, the hardware has been known for a year now.

Again, don't do to others, what you don't wan't done to yourself and the world will be a significantly better place, then people like the "Op" won't get annoyed.

Yes it's like arguing the sky is blue, but like it or not there will always people arguing and just let people arguing without adding another fuel on it :).

and "Yet, suddenly the world ends when someone says the PC is faster than the PS4?" because you debate on which console is stronger topic not on appropriate topic. If people arguing which one stronger dedicated gaming PC or PS4 the answer is more clear and fair on debate.

But yet again, which console is stronger arguements are stupid as well, because we all know what's stronger than what. The discussion only becomes interesting when outside elements are brought in. Such as just how far behind are consoles in power, aesthetics vs graphics, graphics impact vs performance impact, ect. 

Which is more powerful is no longer a question. 



When I upgraded from PS3 to PS4 I had to keep my PS3 to further have access to my PS3 games. Only a few cross-buy games I bought for PS3 (or got via PS+) I can play on the PS4 and some cross-generation games I would have to buy again to play on the new system.

When I upgraded my graphic card last month to a GTX 970 for 290 € (shipping + taxes included), I didn't have to keep my old card to play older games, I was able to sell it for ~100 €, so the upgrade costed me less than 200 €. Although Dead Rising 3 PC is a crappy port, I was able to play it in 1920x1080 (twice the XBO-resolution) with 50 - 70 fps (twice the XBO-framerate), so you don't need a 1000 € GPU for that. And not only new games profit from the performance upgrade, but also every 6th and 7th generation multiplatform game... you don't have to buy them again to play them in higher resolution, with better antialiasing (or with downsampling), with additional effects (PhysX on max, etc.) or evenbetter textures (mods).

If you start from scratch, a console is cheaper (at least if you don't buy dozens of games each year), but if you already have a decent PC, a simple upgrade is cheaper in most cases.



Conina said:
reggin_bolas said:
Believe it or not but PC's have a greater failure rate and are more expensive to replace than consoles. The Rrod being an anomaly of course.

The only PC parts I had to replace in the last decade due to failure were my BD/DVD-ROM (20 €) an my good'old Microsoft-Habu-mouse after 8 years... the new mouse costed 25 € and is even much better than the old one.

And a replacement of a broken optical drive in a console is much costlier than in a modualr PC.


You're lucky then. I bought a toshiba laptop meant for gaming for 1600 dollars. Its harddrive failed within 2 years and it would have cost approximately 600 dollars to repair it. By then I was better off to buy a new one because it was becoming obsolete anyway. 

My current mid-end pc laptop cost 1000 from asus. Windows has some corrupt files which makes it impossible for me to download the latest windows installer for windows update. The stupid tech at MS strong armed to pay 100 dollars to fix their crappy windows service. No thanks, I'd rather play it until it breaks which might happen any day.

That's over 2000 dollars over the span of approximately 4 years. Absurd.