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Conina said:
I will always choose a decent PC (for multiplatform games + PC exclusives) AND a PlayStation (for Sony exclusives) AND a Nintendo console (for Mario + Zelda).... Xbox is optional, since most "exclusives" land on PC anyways.


Yep, wholeheartedly agree with this.



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And seeing how unoptimized games are released in PC made me focus on consoles.



One of the main reason i stick with consoles is that when you buy or build a pc, your money goes into hardware development only. With a console you always invest into gamedevelopment as well.



Intrinsic said:
HollyGamer said:

Well just take the example of Assassins Creed Unity that need GTX 680 for the minimum spec (damn that's more then 3 terraflop capability there) But on console it only take 1,8 terra flop to utilize (well 1,3 for Xbox one). terraflop doesn't always equal to better graphic. It's depend on which console or platform optimize for.

When it comes to Ubisoft and how they optimize, I think most will agree that they are the exception and not the rule. With watchdogs Ubi has shown that they are even crazy enough to have higher quality assets/code disabled even though they were shipped in the game on PCs. A company willing to do stuff like that scares the hell outta me.

Yes optimization is important. But in more cases than not, more terraflops does equal better performance.

It is but not always, it's like how many resource developer need to make a game, just look call of dutty ghost and other cross gen games perform. They will look slightly pretty but the shader and affect is the same no matter how good your graphic card is.

so the answer is it depend on what are u looking for with PC and console. Most people who love console is people who dont have time, dont like to put effort on instaling, bench marking etc..., my save bet is to buy PC on the midle to end of this generation, because most games will look the same on PC and console for 2-3 years from now.



PC isn't just ONE thing. My PC gets destroyed by my PS4.



 

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I bought a console exactly because of your reason #3: Consumer type.
I unboxed it, connected one cable to the power source, second to the internet and third to the TV ---> ready to go in 2 minutes.

Actually, I did swap the HDD to a 1TB version, which took me 2 minutes, but also 60 minutes of watching youtube videos prior to purchase, because I have no clue about electronics and am not willing to take a PC apart and swap parts for it....

I believe that for 400€ I got the best value proposition, I can play hundreds of games without worrying if my machine can play them. I don't want or care for constantly checking specifications to see which games I can play...

Not only that I don't like gaming on the PC, I don't own a computer period. I have one at work for my work related needs. Everything I need in my private time is done on the smartphone or a tablet...for the last 3-4 years. Having no computer feels so...liberating....



I game on console because all of the "infrastructure" like OS, party chat, headset, controller, and game settings, is already there for you. I do sometimes go on PC for counterstrike, Half-Life, Battlefield 3 and Team Fortress 2, but never feel like i'm playing a fair game or a premium experience. I feel that PC gaming is for the tech savvy and hardcore, rather than the "pick up and play" people that I catagorise myself in. I also daresay that console games tend to be more polished and optimised (though there are notable exceptions), with console features implemented into the game. Also exclusives like Halo and Gears keep me in the console crowd.



0815user said:
One of the main reason i stick with consoles is that when you buy or build a pc, your money goes into hardware development only. With a console you always invest into gamedevelopment as well.


What? Game Developers still get paid on PC when you buy their games.
Converesly, developers can get more of your dollar as most publishers (And in many cases) and developers allow you to buy the game directly from them, thus removing the Nintendo/Microsoft/Sony/Valve tax on games.

Conversely, consoles need the PC, without PC gamers funding the technological advancement, then consoles have nowhere to go with it's "next gen", unless they wan't to go the way of the Ouya and use ARM-based hardware.

Intrinsic said:

 

  1. HARDWARE
    Ignoring the display. Lets start with what is in the box. For consoles, you go out and spend $350-$400 for a box that comes with a console, an OS, a controller, a HDMI cable, power cable, disc drive and a headset (and maybe a free game). Then you connect that box to your TV. If anyone will be comparing a PC to a console, shoudn't it only be fair to compare a PC that cost just as much and will give you the exact same things in the box? A PC that will come with at least a mouse/keyboard or a controller, a video cable, disc drive and an OS. For the exact same price of $350-$400.

But it wouldn't be fair?
If you wish to do a complete and honest cost-analysis of a platform then you need to factor in *everything*.
For instance, PC games are cheaper, there is no online paywall, it is fully backwards compatable with decades worth of games, removing the need to buy multiple systems to play them all
For instance, my PC is 2 years older than my Xbox One, but I didn't need to buy a new PC to play these "next gen" games, it was already capable of running them.
Accessories like controllers, camera's, microphones, storage etc' are also cheaper. - I could buy 6x Keyboards and mice for the price of an Xbox or Playstation  controller.

However a PC will generally use more energy... That can actually mount up, especially if you start looking towards 30'cents per kwh.


Intrinsic said:

PERFORMANCE
This ties directly into the above point. If I spend $1000 on a GPU alone. It sure as hell will out perform a GPU that costs $400 or even a GPU that costs $200. I think this is something any PC gamer can relate with. It would be a special kinda stupid to expect a $200GPU to perform as well as a $1000 or even a $3000 GPU. So if screenshots of PC games are put up for the sole purpose of comparing them to consoles, shouldn't the PC in question generating the in game screen shot be at least similarly priced to the console in question. Cause at the end of the day the real comparison is what you can get for your money. If you are comparing the performance of something that costs 4 times more than a console then doesn't that defeat the purpose? Thats like trying to drag race a honda civic with an enzo ferrari.


If a PC gamer is going to be spending $1,000 on a GPU, they aren't going to be running games at console level, but significantly higher. (Or using that power for something other than games.)

Besides, there is an old saying of... "You get what you pay for". - You wan't the best? Then PC is where it has *always* been at, we were gaming in 1080P while gamers were excited about the very first Playstation or the Nintendo 64, yes really.
Again, what is required to make this an unbiased and fair comparison is a good breakdown of the costings of every single facet of the platforms, unfortunatly you haven't done so, merely just created "what-if" scenario's to spur the hate talk.

Intrinsic said

CONSUMER TYPE
There is a very very big difference between a hardcore PC gamer and a console gamer. Put simply, a console gamer just wants ease of access. A box they just buy and plug into their TV. A box that will do everything for them that needs to be done to run the game. So if a PC gamer is going to argue with a console gamer, shouldn't they at least consider that that console gamer is most likely not willing or interested in doing all the things that you may have to do to get a great PC rig at the afore mentioned $350-$400. Like scrounge for used/refurbished parts.. basically build your own RIG. These are ppl that wanna just go and buy a box that works. What sense does it now make to start a PC argument by "you can BUILD a system better than that with teh same amount of money if you are willing to get a little creative or resourceful".

I also think that some PC gamers can be obnoxious. Cause they act like a consumer wnting to spend what he/she deems is all they need to spend for their gaming is stupid. Some people want to spend $350-$400 for a console. Some people are willing to spend way more for a PC if need be. Whats wrong with any of that?

 

PC Gaming is unfortunatly a larger market than consoles right now and growing faster than even the PS4 and Xbox One combined. (100 mil+ verses what, 30 mil for all 3 console platforms?)
It also consitutes a wide variety of "types" of gamers, from, casual, to social to hardcore to enthusiast.
However, having lob-sided share of the market isn't good for consumers, ultimatly I would prefer an equal and even split between everyone for competition reasons, otherwise innovation and price goes out the window.

Ironically, the points you bring up about people wanting "ease of access" is actually going backwards with consoles, long gone are the days where you did not have to update your machines and update your games, install your games, heck even load your games... The consoles GUI's are limited, yet being cluttered with more and more "junk" that gets in the way of actually, you know... Playing games and you still claim ease-of-use? Seriously? Might have been true a generation or two ago, not so anymore.

Where-as the PC, is going in the completely opposite direction.
You can buy a pre-built machine, plug it into a TV, download steam, run it in Big-picture mode and use it like a console, but simpler and a cheaper games library.

As for PC gamers being Obnoxious? Console gamers really aren't the ones to talk. - Constantly on these forums I see the more "technologically advanced" console users bash the "lesser advanced" machines user base, as-if they are high and mighty. (Xbox and Wii gamers probably understand this.)

The fastest way to stop the PC gamers from being "Obnoxious" is for the console gamers to also tone it down. - Basically, don't do to others what you don't wan't done to yourself, or... Just deal with being a slower, inferior platform.




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The fastest way to stop the PC gamers from being "Obnoxious" is for the console gamers to also tone it down. - Basically, don't do to others what you don't wan't done to yourself, or... Just deal with being a slower, inferior platform.

Well it's fair and logic for console to have a debate which one better, most PC gamer who is really (most of the time) is Obnoxious is like an adult people who joint in teenage fight Lol. If people having a debate which console is powerfull is fair but what make people dont like is there is always people who come to troll on console debate with saying PC "is better then both". :D hah