Okay...

ioi can't argue against selling more consoles than have been shipped though. He has always been candid with the tracking methods and he knows and everybody else knows that these are estimates with a margin of error, he would tell you the exact same thing. Missing by 5-6% (lifetime figures) is not a massive fail by ioi and the team; it is actually pretty damn good as far as margins go and he doesn't need to enlighten us since this is common knowledge on the boards.

This is not "venom and mud"; it is actually, truly, really impossible that there isn't some measure of overtracking at play here. There are adjustments all the time; I don't understand why this is so hard to accept and understand (at one point there were adjustments in the order of ~1 million for PS3/360).

Like I wrote in my post in the mod feedback thread; just because someone is unhappy with news or figures we can't very well ban or discourage discussions around these subjects, sales discussions are the bread and butter of vgchartz and calling for the site's owner and main admin to "pacify the thread" is a hopeless statement that he will likely and rightfully ignore (on account of it being presomptious and also the fact that he is well within margins and doesn't need to defend himself publicly for every adjustment he makes). Everyone should report people who derail the discussion, flame, troll or otherwise contribute to a reduction in the quality of any debate but you need to learn to accept bad news, it's not like other fanbases don't get and haven't had their fair share of it, past and present.

That is completerly wrong!!

WiiU is a no-show here in Brasil, official price is almost as expencive as the XOne with Kinect. You can find 360s and PS3 by less then half the current WiiU price.

WiiU shelf espace is a fraction of Playstation and XBox. Even PC games have more store space.

The XOne dominates the official channels and the PS4 has strong position in the gray market.

PS3 and 360 are also doing just fine now due to price and cheap games (or piracy).

Who cares how many systems are sitting on the shelf unsold?   Why not account for manufactured systems then and count whatever is sitting in Microsoft's warehouse too?  What does this even matter, there is still a gap, XB1 has still sold less than it was expected, it's still not making the money that was expected, it's still struggling.  So is the Wii U.   How about you point out that the XB1 has outsold the Ouya.

I knew it, I knew it, I FRICKING KNEW IT! VGChartz was overtracking the Wii U. Too bad, I wanted it to raise its sales because it has the best line-up this year.

:/ Poor Wii U, 0.6m are really bad sales. Since both Xbox consoles shipped 2.4m, I think it's fair to say Xbox One has shipped at least 1m (if not more).

I guess. I guess it's just this on top of the Xbone over then undertracking (or vice versa) and PS4's massive ""so is it 10 million?"" debate, everything just seems always wrong now.

I can at least continue to be interested in software sales.  I wonder how Hyrule Warriors is doing.

If we can just get it over with so that the MS and Sony fans can duke it out against each other so we just can enjoy our Wii U's in peace.

No they shouldn't. Sold/shipped really isn't hard to understand or confusing if you just take some time to learn what it means. When a company says they sold a certain amount of units, they mean that they sold that amount to retailers. Retailers then sell their stock to consumers.

WiiU and X1 are overtracked, the only undertracked console is Ps4. =P

jokes aside... i thinkChartz should start to use shipped number, because shipped is the only number that all "the big 3" are going to give... sure, the leading console can boost some "real sales numbers" some times, but the other are going to use "shipped" most of time, so... VGchartz better to go whit oficial shipped numbers....

300K? More like 140k. The Wii U sold 7.29 million according to Nintendo.