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prinz_valium on 29 October 2014
eyeofcore said:
Seece said:
eyeofcore said:
Mummelmann said:

Just to add my 2 cents; I don't understand how anyone can argue against the Wii U being overtracked at this point. 7.29 million shipped by Sept. 30th and an actual sellthrough of 7.44 million on Oct. 18th would imply at least one of the following points:

1: The Wii U sold through every single unit in the previous shipment, effectively leaving zero stock, despite there being no reports in any region or from any chain or vendor of shortages or stock issues and have continued selling through every single unit in stock in October. We also know that some stores actually shipped units back due to excess stock about a year ago...

2: They did have surplus stock by Sept. 30th and have shipped an obscene amount (relatively) in the beginning of October and have actually sold about 120-140k per week in October and seen an unprecedented rise of weeky sales in the 110-180% region or so for no good reason at all.

3: Nintendo is confused themselves over the definition of shipped vs sold, could be a side effect of Iwata's recent surgery, perhaps he was drowsy from the anesthetic and made a mistake that everyone in the management somehow overlooked (they may have been operated on as well).


Nintendo on bare minimum has sold 120K Wii U's in October or max of 150-165K...

There are at least by end of Oct 7.3 million Wii U's sold to consumers...

There isn't, because they were not above 7m sold going into October.


You want to believe that they were not...

Americas shipped: 3.43M

USA: 2.77M - NPD / Canada: min 10% of US market 0.277M  / Mexico: + South America: ?

http://www.globalcollect.com/news/press/globalcollect-and-newzoo-brazil-dominates-the-fast-growing-latam-games-market

Brazil + Mexico video game market are worth 2.4B$ together which is 10% of US market, Wii U is apparently most popular 8th gen console in SA(specially Brazil)... So in Americas as of 30th September there could be 3,324M Wii U's sold so 110K stock/ on the shelves...

In Japan as of 28th September there are 1.92M sold(Famitsu) out of 1.97M shipped so 40-50K in stocks...

150-160K Wii U in stocks Americas + Japan...

So Europe has 140-150K Wii U's in stock? Impossible... Europe video game market is half size of US...

Maximum Wii U in stock for Europe is 50-60K ...

So 200-220K max on shelves...

not really.

its more ~80%
gen 7 sales us: 110m
gen 7 sales eu: 90m

 

or do u talk about the wiiu size only?



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roborad on 29 October 2014
siddhartha87 said:
So can it at least be confirmed that it's sold above 7 million units ?


nope.



eyeofcore on 29 October 2014
Seece said:
eyeofcore said:
Seece said:
eyeofcore said:
Seece said:

There isn't, because they were not above 7m sold going into October.


You want to believe that they were not...

Americas shipped: 3.43M

USA: 2.77M - NPD / Canada: min 10% of US market 0.277M  / Mexico: + South America: ?

http://www.globalcollect.com/news/press/globalcollect-and-newzoo-brazil-dominates-the-fast-growing-latam-games-market

Brazil + Mexico video game market are worth 2.4B$ together which is 10% of US market, Wii U is apparently most popular 8th gen console in SA(specially Brazil)... So in Americas as of 30th September there could be 3,324M Wii U's sold so 110K stock/ on the shelves...

In Japan as of 28th September there are 1.92M sold(Famitsu) out of 1.97M shipped so 40-50K in stocks...

150-160K Wii U in stocks Americas + Japan...

So Europe has 140-150K Wii U's in stock? Impossible... Europe video game market is half size of US...

Maximum Wii U in stock for Europe is 50-60K ...

So 200-220K max on shelves...

Nah, 300k on shelves is about right in this scenario.


Care to back it up or you can not like usual...


like usual? I have been pretty spot on lately, didn't realise I had to bake everything up. Just look at the numerous people agreeing with me, 300k on shelves makes sense. Shipped = Sold does not.


Bold: Never said that...

People agreeing to  you does not mean you're right...



eyeofcore on 29 October 2014
prinz_valium said:
eyeofcore said:
Seece said:
eyeofcore said:
Mummelmann said:

Just to add my 2 cents; I don't understand how anyone can argue against the Wii U being overtracked at this point. 7.29 million shipped by Sept. 30th and an actual sellthrough of 7.44 million on Oct. 18th would imply at least one of the following points:

1: The Wii U sold through every single unit in the previous shipment, effectively leaving zero stock, despite there being no reports in any region or from any chain or vendor of shortages or stock issues and have continued selling through every single unit in stock in October. We also know that some stores actually shipped units back due to excess stock about a year ago...

2: They did have surplus stock by Sept. 30th and have shipped an obscene amount (relatively) in the beginning of October and have actually sold about 120-140k per week in October and seen an unprecedented rise of weeky sales in the 110-180% region or so for no good reason at all.

3: Nintendo is confused themselves over the definition of shipped vs sold, could be a side effect of Iwata's recent surgery, perhaps he was drowsy from the anesthetic and made a mistake that everyone in the management somehow overlooked (they may have been operated on as well).


Nintendo on bare minimum has sold 120K Wii U's in October or max of 150-165K...

There are at least by end of Oct 7.3 million Wii U's sold to consumers...

There isn't, because they were not above 7m sold going into October.


You want to believe that they were not...

Americas shipped: 3.43M

USA: 2.77M - NPD / Canada: min 10% of US market 0.277M  / Mexico: + South America: ?

http://www.globalcollect.com/news/press/globalcollect-and-newzoo-brazil-dominates-the-fast-growing-latam-games-market

Brazil + Mexico video game market are worth 2.4B$ together which is 10% of US market, Wii U is apparently most popular 8th gen console in SA(specially Brazil)... So in Americas as of 30th September there could be 3,324M Wii U's sold so 110K stock/ on the shelves...

In Japan as of 28th September there are 1.92M sold(Famitsu) out of 1.97M shipped so 40-50K in stocks...

150-160K Wii U in stocks Americas + Japan...

So Europe has 140-150K Wii U's in stock? Impossible... Europe video game market is half size of US...

Maximum Wii U in stock for Europe is 50-60K ...

So 200-220K max on shelves...

not really.

its more ~80%
gen 7 sales us: 110m
gen 7 sales eu: 90m

 

or do u talk about the wiiu size only?


7th gen = 8th gen

Markets change and Europa was 80% due to Wii... Wii is gone...



toastboy44562 on 29 October 2014

It's likely the Xbox One will outsell the WIi U by the first week of november



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Xevross on 29 October 2014
eyeofcore said:


7th gen = 8th gen

Markets change and Europa was 80% due to Wii... Wii is gone...

Ok then, lets take away Wii.

PS3+360 in Europe = 58m

PS3+360 in USA = 70m

Europe is 82% of USA in this case



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Hedra42 on 29 October 2014

The only figure that can be relied upon in this thread (and every other related thread this morning) is the shipped figure from Nintendo.

Everything else is a estimate. The VGC sold to consumers figure is an estimate, and will no doubt be subject to change, since it is above the Nintendo shipped figure. The amounts by which various people are claiming that it's 'overtracked' by, and the number of consoles that are lying around on retailers' shelves, are also estimates, and nothing more.



eyeofcore on 29 October 2014
Ka-pi96 said:
eyeofcore said:


You want to believe that they were not...

Americas shipped: 3.43M

USA: 2.77M - NPD / Canada: min 10% of US market 0.277M  / Mexico: + South America: ?

http://www.globalcollect.com/news/press/globalcollect-and-newzoo-brazil-dominates-the-fast-growing-latam-games-market

Brazil + Mexico video game market are worth 2.4B$ together which is 10% of US market, Wii U is apparently most popular 8th gen console in SA(specially Brazil)... So in Americas as of 30th September there could be 3,324M Wii U's sold so 110K stock/ on the shelves...

In Japan as of 28th September there are 1.92M sold(Famitsu) out of 1.97M shipped so 40-50K in stocks...

150-160K Wii U in stocks Americas + Japan...

So Europe has 140-150K Wii U's in stock? Impossible... Europe video game market is half size of US...

Maximum Wii U in stock for Europe is 50-60K ...

So 200-220K max on shelves...

Don't forget Europe is bigger than the US. Even if not as many consoles are sold there that still means just as many shops that need to be stocked with consoles...

Also, you are making ALOT of assumptions with the Americas.


Nintendo shipped 150K in Other regions which includes Europe...



prinz_valium on 29 October 2014
Xevross said:
eyeofcore said:


7th gen = 8th gen

Markets change and Europa was 80% due to Wii... Wii is gone...

Ok then, lets take away Wii.

PS3+360 in Europe = 58m

PS3+360 in USA = 70m

Europe is 82% of USA in this case


thats why i ask if he talked about the overall console market, or just the nintendo console market

because the nintendo console market is indeed smaller in the eu compared to the us (wii was en exception)



jlmurph2 on 29 October 2014
Xevross said:
eyeofcore said:


7th gen = 8th gen

Markets change and Europa was 80% due to Wii... Wii is gone...

Ok then, lets take away Wii.

PS3+360 in Europe = 58m

PS3+360 in USA = 70m

Europe is 82% of USA in this case

Lol proving your point even more