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SvennoJ said:

Sure, but Metro 2033 did get a good boost for me too setting the fov back to narrow for outdoors.

And for the second point, that's what the whole thread is about. The black bars are only there to use less resources, can't be an artistic decision? Would it only have been a valid artistic decision if it rendered internally at 2592x1080 and downscaled to fit the screen? Black bars have been used in pre-rendered cutscenes for ages.

I agree with this article http://www.joystiq.com/2014/06/11/the-order-1886s-aspect-ratio-is-more-than-meets-the-eye/ which sounds like they did it the right way, increasing the field of view. I can't find anything ready at dawn temselves have said about the subject, google only returns tons of complaints about black bars and it not being 1080p because of it. And now recently the comparisons with the evil within have started where it does look like a last ditch attempt to save fps by blocking of part of the screen and not increasing fov.

Here you go. He says 800p being used gave more resouces for visual polish. They didn't use those resources to increase FOV. http://www.redgamingtech.com/the-order-1886-using-msaa-x4-resolution-not-set-in-stone-yet/

Maybe it was done for artistic reasons. Regardless, doing it allowed for more visual polish than could have been achieved at 1080p.

Hence, true 1080p would be a hit for graphics or performance.



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Mr Puggsly said:

Here you go. He says 800p being used gave more resouces for visual polish. They didn't use those resources to increase FOV. http://www.redgamingtech.com/the-order-1886-using-msaa-x4-resolution-not-set-in-stone-yet/

Maybe it was done for artistic reasons. Regardless, doing it allowed for more visual polish than could have been achieved at 1080p.

Hence, true 1080p would be a hit for graphics or performance.

He says they can do 4xmsaa instead of 1080p without aa with the resources freed up skipping 1920x280 pixels. AA is indeed directly tied to resolution. Plus he says it's more expensive than 1080p “to be clear, x800 with 4xMSAA needs more bandwidth than x1080 would, so 1080 no MS would be cheaper” Nothing is said about fov. But agreed, less pixels, more bandwidth for expensive AA.

Fov looks great on the screenshots floating around, definitely not a case of cropping the image.



MoHasanie said:

"With the 4K TVs and things - somebody was telling me that with a 4K TV, to even see it, your living room has to be big enough to sit like 12 feet from the screen. I don't know the exact numbers, but it starts to get a little crazy.

Lol, the guy thinks to tell the difference of 4K you have to be FURTHER away from the screen.

This is why you shouldn't let your creative director do tech talk.



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Nem said

when i play on my ps4(X1) and on my Wii U, one feels next-gen and the other feels current gen in a new box. And no i'm not talking about ps4/x1. Wii U games like Mario kart 8 and Bayonetta 2 feel next gen because they have great art design and run extremely well. Thats what next-gen must be.


At first, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Then, I started noticing people who are over watching/playing games dropping lots of "oh, wow" and "that looks really good" when it comes to MK8, Tropical Freeze, and - most recently - Bayonetta 2. I'm sure they're impressed by the PS4 as well, but those games look so much like the titles we've been playing for the last four to eight years, only at a higher resolution and more realistic lighting.

Maybe it's just because  expectations are lower for a console with the name Wii tacked onto it, but when I look at many of the top tier Wii U titles, I feel like I'm looking at something new and fresh and exciting in a way that my PS4 games simply don't.



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he is totaly right. resolution dont sell more games(as long u dont piss of a lot of people with gimped versions).
they dont care if they sale a xbone or a ps4 game(i guess they get more per game from m$).
resolution is just important for sony. if both versions look the same and worse than midsetting pc ports they lose a good argument to sale ps4s...



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iTechHeads said:

PS4 Too!

I never said PS4 was some state-of-the-art powerhouse. I said its more powerful than Xbox One, which is a fact.

I want to play console games in the best resolution and performance possible. That's one of the reasons why I picked up a PS4. Because I was looking for a console. To Play games. On Tv. With a Controller.


Screw it, I'll bite.

You wan't the best resolution and performance possible? (YOUR WORDS) Picking the Playstation 4 was then the wrong choice, you literally just failed hard core as a consumer.
The PC has had HDMI longer than consoles have, heck it's had "1080P"since 1995 (The era of the Nintendo 64/Playstation 1) and 4k since 2001/2003, it can interface with a TV just fine.
2560x1440 has been around for years, can be had for a couple hundred bucks.

And yet, you still opt for the device which can't exceed a 20 year old resolution? A resolution I expect out of a 5" mobile phone?

Controllers are childs play, you have hundreds to choose from and more often than not, your console controller works on PC too, go figure.

Steam Big Picture mode is your best friend for controllers+TV use.

If console games are your thing, the PC is known to get the majority of multi-platform console games natively, they look better than their console counterparts and also perform better. (Not to mention more gameplay thanks to mods.)
Converesly, you also have the choice of emulating other platforms (Legalities of which, various by region.) such as the SNES, N64, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, Gamecube, Wii... Heck even the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 emulators are now up and running. (Although,game compatability still leaves much to be desired.)
Don't forget the PC's game library is larger than any singular console platform, with decades worth of backwards compatability to bolster your games library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(emulator)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPCS3

Seriously, your missing out on some of the greatest games of all time by ignoring other platforms, but I guess that's your problem.

But I digress, you will probably find some other excuse now.



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Pemalite said:
iTechHeads said:

PS4 Too!

I never said PS4 was some state-of-the-art powerhouse. I said its more powerful than Xbox One, which is a fact.

I want to play console games in the best resolution and performance possible. That's one of the reasons why I picked up a PS4. Because I was looking for a console. To Play games. On Tv. With a Controller.


Screw it, I'll bite.

You wan't the best resolution and performance possible? (YOUR WORDS) Picking the Playstation 4 was then the wrong choice, you literally just failed hard core as a consumer.
The PC has had HDMI longer than consoles have, heck it's had "1080P"since 1995 (The era of the Nintendo 64/Playstation 1) and 4k since 2001/2003, it can interface with a TV just fine.
2560x1440 has been around for years, can be had for a couple hundred bucks.

And yet, you still opt for the device which can't exceed a 20 year old resolution? A resolution I expect out of a 5" mobile phone?

Controllers are childs play, you have hundreds to choose from and more often than not, your console controller works on PC too, go figure.

Steam Big Picture mode is your best friend for controllers+TV use.

If console games are your thing, the PC is known to get the majority of multi-platform console games natively, they look better than their console counterparts and also perform better. (Not to mention more gameplay thanks to mods.)
Converesly, you also have the choice of emulating other platforms (Legalities of which, various by region.) such as the SNES, N64, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, Gamecube, Wii... Heck even the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 emulators are now up and running. (Although,game compatability still leaves much to be desired.)
Don't forget the PC's game library is larger than any singular console platform, with decades worth of backwards compatability to bolster your games library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(emulator)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPCS3

Seriously, your missing out on some of the greatest games of all time by ignoring other platforms, but I guess that's your problem.

But I digress, you will probably find some other excuse now.


Screw it i'll teach you

  1. . Comparing stuff between consoles the PS4 is the better choice.Simply a fact.

If he only wants 1 platform and it has to be a console he and everyone else should pick the PS4.Fact.

2.
The bold part is just plain wrong and stupid
You wan't the best resolution and performance possible?
If console games are your thing, the PC is known to get the majority of multi-platform console games natively, they look better than their console counterparts and also perform better.


Yes, IF(the important part) the game comes to PC the PC Version is the smart choice.Nothing to argue here.
But you act like every Multiplatform game is coming to PC.
Final Fantasy 15,Kingdom Hearts 3 and many others are ONLY on PS4 and Xbox One.
NOW WHAT DOES IT DO IF HE HAS 15 TITANS and GTX980s in his PC if those games don't get released on there?HUH TELL ME?
RIght - The choice is between the following TWO PLATFORMS - The Playstation 4 and the Xbox One.
Which of those 2 Platforms will run this MULTIPLATFORM game better?Exactly - The Playstation 4.So it was the better choice to buy the PS4 for Multiplatform games.

You act like EVERY Game gets released on PC but this simply isn't true
Its probably even closer to being a minority especially if those games aren't mainstream/western and even then its not a safe bet.
When did Playstation and XBox People play GTA5?Last year - When will PS4 and X1 people play GTA5 again?This year
When will the ultra awesome PC People play it?Next year - So they had to wait till the game got released twice on consoles.
How do you like the PC Version of Red Dead Redemption?The PS3 and Xbox360 got that MULTIPLATFORM game.

See?
Its simply a fact the PS4 and X1 cover a lot more and are a smart choice.
Yes for those Multiplatform Games the PC gets it is the only choice you should make.
But PS4/XB1 cover a lot bigger library of high quality games the PC will never see and if you have to choose you pick the PS4 for the better quality in games.
Why?Cause the games still cost the same - PS4 and Xb1 Version cost for example 60$ but you get more quality on the PS4.Simple choice.

And saying the PC library is bigger than the ones of console is surely true.
But all the shovelware on Steam or the (high budget) Console Exclusive Multiplats,the real exclusives obviously and still getting a lot  of the indie shovelware from PC...Hm hard choice ;)
I go personally with PC+PS4 just cause of those reasons.But if you want only to have 1 platform with the biggest quality in the library you have to go with the PS4.Simply cause you cover with PS4 only a lot more than with going PC only.



Iv been playing PC games since 1997 and the moment I went out of my way to buy a 360 my experiences changed. I was actually enjoying more games I never played before that weren't just about graphics. Those who think that 1080p is better and choose to miss out on entire game franchises are just cheap skates who cant afford to game on more then one system. I was poor too. The fact I hear people talk about how important Indie games are which most of them are 8 bit pixel games only concludes this argument.



StuOhQ said:
Nem said

when i play on my ps4(X1) and on my Wii U, one feels next-gen and the other feels current gen in a new box. And no i'm not talking about ps4/x1. Wii U games like Mario kart 8 and Bayonetta 2 feel next gen because they have great art design and run extremely well. Thats what next-gen must be.


At first, I thought I was the only one who felt this way. Then, I started noticing people who are over watching/playing games dropping lots of "oh, wow" and "that looks really good" when it comes to MK8, Tropical Freeze, and - most recently - Bayonetta 2. I'm sure they're impressed by the PS4 as well, but those games look so much like the titles we've been playing for the last four to eight years, only at a higher resolution and more realistic lighting.

Maybe it's just because  expectations are lower for a console with the name Wii tacked onto it, but when I look at many of the top tier Wii U titles, I feel like I'm looking at something new and fresh and exciting in a way that my PS4 games simply don't.


Its all about the fps. PS4/X1 games would look amazing if they focused on the fps. The current focus on resolution is leaving the games at the same 30fps the PS3/360 offered. Its alot more difficult to see the improvement in small pixels than it is on how smoothly the game runs.

They really need to drop this silly resolution gate and bring in the more important fps gate. Next gen must be 60fps and not 1080p (if both arent attainable).



HmChoices said:
Pemalite said:
iTechHeads said:

PS4 Too!

I never said PS4 was some state-of-the-art powerhouse. I said its more powerful than Xbox One, which is a fact.

I want to play console games in the best resolution and performance possible. That's one of the reasons why I picked up a PS4. Because I was looking for a console. To Play games. On Tv. With a Controller.


Screw it, I'll bite.

You wan't the best resolution and performance possible? (YOUR WORDS) Picking the Playstation 4 was then the wrong choice, you literally just failed hard core as a consumer.
The PC has had HDMI longer than consoles have, heck it's had "1080P"since 1995 (The era of the Nintendo 64/Playstation 1) and 4k since 2001/2003, it can interface with a TV just fine.
2560x1440 has been around for years, can be had for a couple hundred bucks.

And yet, you still opt for the device which can't exceed a 20 year old resolution? A resolution I expect out of a 5" mobile phone?

Controllers are childs play, you have hundreds to choose from and more often than not, your console controller works on PC too, go figure.

Steam Big Picture mode is your best friend for controllers+TV use.

If console games are your thing, the PC is known to get the majority of multi-platform console games natively, they look better than their console counterparts and also perform better. (Not to mention more gameplay thanks to mods.)
Converesly, you also have the choice of emulating other platforms (Legalities of which, various by region.) such as the SNES, N64, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, Gamecube, Wii... Heck even the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 emulators are now up and running. (Although,game compatability still leaves much to be desired.)
Don't forget the PC's game library is larger than any singular console platform, with decades worth of backwards compatability to bolster your games library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenia_(emulator)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPCS3

Seriously, your missing out on some of the greatest games of all time by ignoring other platforms, but I guess that's your problem.

But I digress, you will probably find some other excuse now.


Screw it i'll teach you

  1. . Comparing stuff between consoles the PS4 is the better choice.Simply a fact.

If he only wants 1 platform and it has to be a console he and everyone else should pick the PS4.Fact.

2.
The bold part is just plain wrong and stupid
You wan't the best resolution and performance possible?
If console games are your thing, the PC is known to get the majority of multi-platform console games natively, they look better than their console counterparts and also perform better.


Yes, IF(the important part) the game comes to PC the PC Version is the smart choice.Nothing to argue here.
But you act like every Multiplatform game is coming to PC.
Final Fantasy 15,Kingdom Hearts 3 and many others are ONLY on PS4 and Xbox One.
NOW WHAT DOES IT DO IF HE HAS 15 TITANS and GTX980s in his PC if those games don't get released on there?HUH TELL ME?
RIght - The choice is between the following TWO PLATFORMS - The Playstation 4 and the Xbox One.
Which of those 2 Platforms will run this MULTIPLATFORM game better?Exactly - The Playstation 4.So it was the better choice to buy the PS4 for Multiplatform games.

You act like EVERY Game gets released on PC but this simply isn't true
Its probably even closer to being a minority especially if those games aren't mainstream/western and even then its not a safe bet.
When did Playstation and XBox People play GTA5?Last year - When will PS4 and X1 people play GTA5 again?This year
When will the ultra awesome PC People play it?Next year - So they had to wait till the game got released twice on consoles.
How do you like the PC Version of Red Dead Redemption?The PS3 and Xbox360 got that MULTIPLATFORM game.

See?
Its simply a fact the PS4 and X1 cover a lot more and are a smart choice.
Yes for those Multiplatform Games the PC gets it is the only choice you should make.
But PS4/XB1 cover a lot bigger library of high quality games the PC will never see and if you have to choose you pick the PS4 for the better quality in games.
Why?Cause the games still cost the same - PS4 and Xb1 Version cost for example 60$ but you get more quality on the PS4.Simple choice.

And saying the PC library is bigger than the ones of console is surely true.
But all the shovelware on Steam or the (high budget) Console Exclusive Multiplats,the real exclusives obviously and still getting a lot  of the indie shovelware from PC...Hm hard choice ;)
I go personally with PC+PS4 just cause of those reasons.But if you want only to have 1 platform with the biggest quality in the library you have to go with the PS4.Simply cause you cover with PS4 only a lot more than with going PC only.

Been reading your posts and your completely wrong or have no idea. For starters theres more to a console then just the Hardware. 2014 the X1 has all the hard hitting AAA games that the PS4 offers plus more (Titanfall etc) And while the PS4 might offer a slight advantage which in many cases arent even noticable, you forget about the other importent facters of a console. Lets take a look at the Online Service and infractures of both console. PS4s service isnt slightly inferiour to XB1s service, if marginaly inferiour. PSN down times, Games having problems connecting (DriveClub) etc. The other most importent thing when buying a console is the controllers. Its stated that the 360 had the best controller last gen and alot of people are familer with it, which means moving to the XB1 controller is a natrual feel (Analog stick placment etc) and the other goodies like Rumble triggers. The fair point with the controllers is there both good controllers.

So to put it simple, The PS4 does have slight advanatges when it comes to the visuals however the XB1 has a worlds difference when it comes to the online infracture and service (dedicated servers etc) and while the controllers i put as a tie since there both good, and i am not even going to bother comparing the 2 cameras, thats another thing the PS4 is marginaly inferiour in.

Now Slight advantages in graphics does not mean superiour gameplay, not if the online side of things cant even handle the games and the downtimes of a service. If you want a graphic advantage then clearly PC is the way to go since PC online has always been up there as the best (Since its free) and the games are cheaper to own on PC and the graphics ARENT slightly better like the PS4 is to the XB1, The PC graphics are worlds apart better when compared to console games, eg 60 frames > 30 frames, thats almost double the power just in the framerate and i am not including the advance effects and resolution.

The sad part of your argument is you mention about PC gamers have missed out or waited a long time to play GTA5 and Red Dead Redemption, but how long have PC gamers being playing games like Planet Side 2 or Diablo 3? The fact is with consoles (heres where they trick you) They make you buy the game twice, one version on current or last gen and the other on next gen. PC versions normaly are the next gen game (which is cheaper then the last gen version on consoles) and they normaly get updated with patches to increase the visuals over time so your not buying the game twice. My mate brought Half Life on PS2 and in a magainze stated "The best looking verion" I reloaded Half Life on Steam and all i did was change Direct X 7 to Direct X 11 and wow, i automaticly saw massive differences and it felt like a remastered game and it was FREE.