I'm not a Westerner. I'm an Arab. 

Do you really want another Ottoman Empire? I think every country should mind their own business. 

I read... you assume too much... maybe just maybe you should consider the hypothesis that people may be more inteligent than you give then credit for.

So he posted some material from the 80's. You rethorted with things from earlier (that you still assume he had no knowledge instead of accepting after he answered that maybe he had the info but don't value it more than other info?)... you started assuming he was American and not Arab and from there own you were patronizing him and spouting inconsiderated offenses.

If you think they are at war because some papers show USA influence from before 80's (and just because it is older then it have more relevance) then 1400 year or more of history, tribalism, religious law opposing that should be more noteworthy. Or just your info hold value?

ok let me be quite clear about this, this is not about intellect or intelligence or whatever 

this is about facts 

to recap he posted this first video of conflicts which started in 1980 as evidence that there was no us involvement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFleLinwEM

however, as shown in this video that is nonsense the united states absolutely did have involvement in 1979 just prior to the start

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6s-Fs4RnFY

this was a second video he posted about saddam hussein attacking with chemical weapons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNxks7LqY0w

however released documents show us involvement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk35suofbYQ

"that you still assume he had no knowledge instead of accepting after he answered that maybe he had the info but don't value it more than other info?"

well all i can say to this is that you do not understand the context go back to the original posts read them and then come back to me

he posted the videos as a rebuttal to my claim of us influence, which obviously only makes sense if you are unaware of how far back it goes

"you started assuming he was American and not Arab and from there own you were patronizing him and spouting inconsiderated offenses."

uh  i never at any point made any comment on his nationality, race, eye colour or what have you so i would appreciate it if you don't make up crap and say i posted it

to the second part lol you see no problem with him calling my post tinfoil hat posts?

you do not consider that to be offensive? 

to associate someone with a tinfoil hat is to in effect call them crazy 

not that i really care i'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of telling me i'm offensive while saying nothing to him about it

" then 1400 year or more of history, tribalism, religious law opposing that should be more noteworthy."

i'm not denying that there was tension between groups in the middle east for centuries, however, i think and i have provided evidence to support my conclusion that most of the recent death and destruction is the result of united states influence

You started your replies saying the origin of the conflicts is the US influence. Which is proven wrong by showing they already had conflicts prior to that, now if you want to say US involvement may have influenced and worsened the situation that is a different claim than to say it generated purely from US involvement. And you posted videos from US influence in past 10 years, which he reffuted with proof of atriction in the 80's -claiming 500y back - before your video (so we could claim you were wrong because he used previous data to show it already existed, but then you posted older stuff to say if he knew that he would have posted that while ignoring you didn't in first place. So it was possible that he already knew but didn't use that).

You claimed that this stuff would reach him (didn't know it was already around him), so if you didn't assume he was western (possibly american based on your trying to input blame on USA for the events) what did you mean by that. Them accused him of being ignorant and that it wouldn't solve the problem.

He said your tinfoil stuff (that curiously coincide with your avatar), and said that because any conspiracy theory is basic associated with tinfoil claims. His video of the 80's showed that it was on greater scale than what is now (we don't have video of older times when they were on war against each other). As you said they didn't knew America back when they were super powers during middle age. But do you know that Islam should wage war agaisnt all infidels and convert everyone to its religion right? And that isn't USA influence. He just claimed Arabs ethinicies always hated one another (wars in the ancient time shows that) and there was no USA to blame at the time).

Then you go patronize him claiming he should think different because he is there (why should everyone think every problem in the world is USA to blame?) Than say the info is available to anyone that doesn't want to be ignorant. And then claim he is being manipulated by thinking different than you *while it could be you the one being manipulated*, most left wing and socialist think mass are being controled by the rich and that media is being used to do that while ignoring their "lider" is also manipulating them with badly constructed data. And keep claiming he is ignorant and manipulated *without realizing all the points you posted are equaly valid to you, but you think it isn't "because I know all" even tough assuming that knowing all is the dawnfall invitation* 

Then after he assuring you he knows about the data you posted you go and say that even tough there is no evidence just a moron wouldn't get it (while saying one paragraph earlier that he don't get it).

And now you say you know they have been in war from dawn of time, but for him you said it is irrelevant because other countries held war between them in the past... do you know that several european countries still have some animosity between them and some xenophobia? And british and french altough in friends terms don't really love one another? The difference is they learned after almost exterminating one another and through law enforcement.

The whole issue about religious motivation, and you say that a lot is throw at it, but also says religion mindset is predominant in population *which is obvious for any religious country* so it really shows how much religion can affect the issue (possibly a lot more than the so called manipulation by US). 

Then complain he said you are just saying you are right because you are and that you pose as intelectually better as if that was his only point.  And goes back to humility and ego preventing knowledge, while lacking humility yourself. And call him arrogant as well. Also haven't admited even the possibility of being wrong. And again you claim IT WAS CAUSED BY USA INFLUENCE, not that it could only be catalized.

Is that enough for reading all the posts or you need more proof of your lack of manners in here and your claims of superiority and knowing all, but choosing to ignore all other causes and focus on USA probably based on an agenda?

honestly your post is very hard to follow so i'll just say this

i conceded that conflict in the middle east has been occuring since 500 i never said not

what i was saying and i posted various evidence to support it is that the us has funded and influenced a lot of the conflict in the region for the past few decades

this is fact not conspiracy or tinfoil hat or whatever theory

to try to deny or diminish the influence the united states has had on the region is nonsensical to me

hilary clinton herself admits indirectly that ISIS was created through the funding they did years ago 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhFleLinwEM

alongside that you have a us general stating that they plan to take out certain countries within the next few years and it has happened

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

these are not conspircay theories i'm pulling out of thin air there is documented evidence for it all

Ok since you admited US isn't the genesis and that it isn't the sole generator of the war but is influencing it (probably severely) I can agree with you.

So we just have the tone you used with the guy in the beggining.

Denying the horrible influence of the United States on the Middle East is arguably worse than believing the US (and the UK before it) are the sole reason why the Middle East is a mess today.

Also claiming Arabs hated each other since ever is false. The hatred among Arabs in the Medieval era was possibly far less minimal than the hate between Europeans today. Clearly there is an outer influence besides religion and ethnicities (For those unaware, Arab is not an ethnicity)

yeah that was my mistake i thought it would be obvious that i was talking about the ongoing wars of this era

and not the conflicts from before america was even established 

anyway with regards to my tone 

i only adopted that tone because of his dismissive attitude 

i believe it to be very important that we acknowledge how much these conflicts are being influenced by sources that aren't being discussed

the alternative is that everyone just blames everything on islam and turns their hatred against muslims

even though according to some of the evidence available they are being vitimised for the most part

so we then get people saying that we should bomb all of the bad guys out of the middle east, without realiseing that in this process many innocent people will be killed or affected adversely

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

http://costsofwar.org/article/iraqi-civilians