I'm not twisting your words, Tbone. I pointed out that 3m is too small a difference so even for a prediction the numbers cannot be that close.Of course I took the highest and lowest. If you said it would be 50-55 with pokemon 45-50 without, you'd be suggesting that it is possible that even without pokemon it would not lose a single sale. 

Again, you can't look at the numbers of sold units of a product and deduct that number and assume that that's all the impact it had on a console. The problem with that hypothesis, is that you completely ignore how it affects the perception of the console by the public.

When the vita lost Monster Hunter as an exclusive, it lost much faith in it by the developers. There were doom articles and threads everywhere. The lack of faith in the vita made developers drop projects that could have helped the system tremendously (e.g. Bioshock). And it continues like a snowball. Everyone sees it as an unattractive product to make fun of, not to own. Part of the reason the iphones are successful is that people talk about them all the time. If someone talksabout his 3ds and how he likes catching pokemon, you might check out the system even if you have no interest in pokemon itself.

And here is a very simple example: Tommorow a new oblivion game is announced for vita. The game ends up selling 2m units, yet there's a huge increase of hardware that is way beyond 2m based on how much it's projected to sell at the moment. Why? Because everyone is talking about it. Then more developers make games for it, Sony decides to spend money promoting it, more people are seen on streets using one, and so on. Sure, Oblivion X would not be directly responsible for all those hardware sales, but had it not been for it the vita would be dead. Does that make sense to you?

But I guess it will eventually come. Plus despite control issues pokemon might be playable in ipad / android. Handheld consoles are insignificant.

First off, my bad with the misunderstanding with the numbers, i meant it as a 6mil difference, but its not a big deal :P

Now for the main topic, Yes it all makes sense. You bring up a good argument that i do mostly agree with. Only thing is Pokemon aint everything and thats all im trying to say here. Vita is a different situation as the psp success was mostly due to third parties, even before MH came out for it.

Nintendo fully supported their HH, and even without pokemon, they can still manage to pull great numbers. 

Just to be clear, though i guess i see it differently with you and other users here, i do understand and agred with practically everything you guys are saying, only thing i personally dont agree with is that pokemon makes up the entire momentum of Nintendo HHs, with the execption of the GBC

Oh, absolutely. I don't disagree with you at all. No matter what, they have great selling franchises that can help their handhelds reach respectable numbers (for all I know it could still sell over 50m without pokemon). I was just saying that it's hard to tell just how much each franchise helps. 

Anyway. I'm glad we agree :) 

Something like Stadium or Colosseum though?

In other words, no pokemon main games on mobile for another 50 years :P