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Is Bayonetta 2 sexist?

No 308 71.46%
 
Yes 73 16.94%
 
See Results 50 11.60%
 
Total:431

The game's neither completely sexist or completely not. The lead character is a really powerful strong willed character who kicks the ass of everything who comes in her way, in that regard it fantastic.

Though why they have to show her constant ass crack and nakedness i don't know... She doesn't need to be naked to impress us, she's a really powerful character in her own right. Just slightly annoying more than anything.

As IGN said in their review discussion a few days ago, "she's a really powerful character who's been filmed by a pervy camera man."



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SlayerRondo said:

What is vulgar to some people is an expression of freedom and liberation to others.

What is considered vulgar by society has been an ever shrinking number of things and will continue to do so.

In this case you, the minority, find to game to be to vulgar, while the majority of us enjoy the game's style, and changing the style to be more conservative would have harmed the game's appeal overall.

lol nothing about this franchise is "majority'' the game is quite niche. Most people would raise their eyebrows at what's at display here.



curl-6 said:

Except "murder" in real life is a serious matter. In a video game, not necessarily. There's nothing serious about Mario squashing a Goomba.

Comprende? 

And yet, and for the last time, BY DEFINITION, it's still considered murder.

A Goomba isn't a portrayal of another human, if on the other hand you had the ability to pull out a knife and take Princess toadstools life, It would be, by definition, murder.

Dragging the convosation off topic won't change a thing, for the record.




bubblegamer said:
SlayerRondo said:

It is not a matter of her showing them, rather, its the rest of society that has a culture of shame that in no way works with the style of the character Bayonetta.

And you would also do well to stop thinking about women as though they are not as individualistic as we men are. Some women may view being sexual as more of a private thing and others don't, just like how men have different opinions.

I won't on the other hand deride women for being prude's for dressing consevatively and I believe calling women, or men, who don't share societal norms for feeling ashamed and embarrassed about their body, prostitutes, is disgusting.

Not exclusive to women. Sexism is disgusting indeed and thinking things like only applies to them means you haven't considered women's feelings.

And like I said, women are individuals and not a group, what some women may consider a negative protrayal of women other's may consider positive and therefore saying something like you understand what's offensive to women is demeaning as you view them not as an individual. but as a group.



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Tachikoma said:
curl-6 said:

Except "murder" in real life is a serious matter. In a video game, not necessarily. There's nothing serious about Mario squashing a Goomba.

Comprende? 

And yet, and for the last time, BY DEFINITION, it's still considered murder.

A Goomba isn't a portrayal of another human, if on the other hand you had the ability to pull out a knife and take Princess toadstools life, It would be, by definition, murder.

Dragging the convosation off topic won't change a thing, for the record.

Interesting you say this cos the character you claim is abused in Bayonetta is not human either.

So once again, you draw a flawed comparison.



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bubblegamer said:
SlayerRondo said:

What is vulgar to some people is an expression of freedom and liberation to others.

What is considered vulgar by society has been an ever shrinking number of things and will continue to do so.

In this case you, the minority, find to game to be to vulgar, while the majority of us enjoy the game's style, and changing the style to be more conservative would have harmed the game's appeal overall.

lol nothing about this franchise is "majority'' the game is quite niche. Most people would raise their eyebrows at what's at display here.

If we either the game's review's or the thread's poll results they both show how much the style is appreciated. Sure the sales will be hapered by the WiiU install base.

And while some people will raise their eyeballs at the game's open display of sexuality, many people outside gaming culture do the same far more often for violence in video games.

Depictions of Violence has been explored and accepted as part of the gaming medium with sexuality slowly but surely making more of an impact and both visuals and storytelling improve in the industry.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

curl-6 said:

Interesting you say this cos the character you claim is abused in Bayonetta is not human either.

So once again, you draw a flawed comparison.

In appearing in both doppleganger and Joy form as a humanoid, it fulfills the requirement of being a "portrayal of another human".

Again, going off topic does not detract from the original point, Abuse is not empowerment.
And unfortunately for you, Abuse has no requirement for the victim to be human.



Man, I hope thay polygon reviewer doesn't ever play Senran Kagura games...



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