I think they lack ambition when it comes to launching a new IP. Splatoon looks really fun and will probably turn out great but is it just a multiplayer thing or will there be a full story mode to it?
I think they lack ambition when it comes to launching a new IP. Splatoon looks really fun and will probably turn out great but is it just a multiplayer thing or will there be a full story mode to it?
Nintendo's problem isn't a lack of new IPs, but an unwillingness to change. Nintendo's original MO with games came with the SNES, when games were aimed at children. These days most gamers are in their 20s or 30s, and fact is Mario doesn't interest them.
Really, Nintendo should have known this. Majora's Mask had a cool reception back in 2001 and was largely forgotten right after launch, but between 2005 and 2007 people started citing it as their favorite Zelda game. It's not because the new Zelda games were bad--were that true everyone would refer to Ocarina--but because these fans grew up and their tastes changed.
The story of Nintendo is a billion games which look fantastic for what they are, but don't really interest me. They could make the best Mario game of all time, but I'm really not interested.
This is a real shame. Nintendo can make some really mature stuff without going above an E rating, and with Bioware throwing in gay sex scenes just 'cuz, that's a really rare gift. It's a shame that the corporate marketing ploy will never let them use it
Purple said:
Hahaha great work. You have not read a word I've written. What you've written is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Last gen they made a tonne of completely new games and it led to a tonne of sales. This gen they've only manged two on Wii U. You're pulling mental gymnastics trying to make out that Lego and Bayonetta are somehow new IP. I'll repeat this again in caps because no one seems to be reading the actual thread. NINTENDO'S FRANCHISES ARE IN DECLINE. THE BUSINESS WILL DIE UNLESS THEY BRING IN NEW CONSUMERS. TO DO THIS THEY MUST CREATE A WEALTH OF NEW IP.
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Thanks for being a condecending dick on the internet. It's a totally fresh and original approach...............
No really.
amak11 said:
Nintendo side: Mario, Donkey Kong, Ice Climbers, Animal Crossing, Pikmin, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Earthbound/Mother, Kid icarus, Kirby, The Legend of Zelda, Pilot Wings, Punch-Out, Puzzle League, Metroid, Star Fox, Nintendo "Wars", F-Zero, Fire Emblem, Golden Sun, Yoshi, Pokemon, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Brain Age, Custom Robo, Mario Party, Mario Vs Donkey Kong, Sin and Punishment, Wario, Fatal Frame, Touch! Generations, Game and Watch, Nintendogs, etc... I should actually post this link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nintendo_games_by_franchise The main series for Sony that people will constantly bring up are: Rachet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, Uncharted, Twisted Metal, (arguably)Crash Bandicoot, Killzone, Ico and SotC, Sly Cooper,
For what itès worth, Sonyès exclusive library has zero variety where as Nintendo has plenty of established exclusives in almost every genre of game. |
So you listed almost every IP ever made by intendo, but forgot the most important ones for Sony? You forgot Sony's 2 bestselling franchises: Gran Turismo and God Of War. You also listed a ton of game made by Nintendo which few even care about. Its insane how people an have such notions.
Among all first-party games Sony easily has the most variety in terms of genre. They publish FPS, TPS, Hack n Slash, Simulation Racing, Arcade Racing, 2D Platformer, 3D Platformer, 3D Fighter and Survival Horror, both in kiddy and photorealistic styles. Nintendo only makes the platformers, arcade racing, RPG and soon TPS, all with a touch of kiddiness to them.
| GTAexpert said: So you listed almost every IP ever made by intendo, but forgot the most important ones for Sony? You forgot Sony's 2 bestselling franchises: Gran Turismo and God Of War. You also listed a ton of game made by Nintendo which few even care about. Its insane how people an have such notions. Among all first-party games Sony easily has the most variety in terms of genre. They publish FPS, TPS, Hack n Slash, Simulation Racing, Arcade Racing, 2D Platformer, 3D Platformer, 3D Fighter and Survival Horror, both in kiddy and photorealistic styles. Nintendo only makes the platformers, arcade racing, RPG and soon TPS, all with a touch of kiddiness to them. |
Umm you need to do some research before you make claims. I can easily add more, but i think I made my point. Sony's offering pales in comparison
| 2D Platformer | 3D Platformer | |||
| New Super Mario Bros | 89 | Super Mario Galaxy | 97 | |
| New Super Mario Bros Wii | 87 | Super Mario Galaxy 2 | 97 | |
| New Super Mario bros 2 | 78 | Super Mario Sunshine | 92 | |
| New Super Mario Bros U | 84 | Super Mario 64 | 94 | |
| Donkey Kong Returns | 87 | |||
| First Person Shooters | RPG | |||
| Metroid Prime | 97 | Xenoblade | 92 | |
| Metroid Prime 2: Echoes | 92 | Mario & Luigi: BIS (DS) | 90 | |
| Metroid Prime 3: Corruptions | 90 | Mario & Luigi: SSS (GBA) | 90 | |
| Geist | 66 | Paper Mario (N64) | 92 | |
| Main Pokemon series | ||||
| Action/Adventure | Racers | |||
| Zelda: Ocarina of Time | 99 | Mario Kart Super circuit | 93 | |
| Zelda: Majora Mask | 95 | Mario Kart ds | 90 | |
| Zelda: Wind Waker | 96 | F Zero GX | 89 | |
| Zelda: Twilight Princess | 96 | Wave Race 64 | 92 | |
| Zelda: Skyward Sword | 93 | |||
| Turn Based Strategy | Real Time Strategy | |||
| Fire Emblem: Awakening | 92 | Pikmin | 89 | |
| Advance Wars: Dual Strike | 90 | pikmin 2 | 90 | |
| Advance Wars (Gba) | 92 | Battalion War | 76 | |
| Advance Wars: Days of Ruin | 86 | Battalion Wars 2 | 75 | |
| Sports | Puzzle | |||
| Mario Tennis (N64) | 91 | Mario Vs Donker: MMA | 82 | |
| Mario Golf (N64) | 91 | Pushmo | 90 | |
| 1080 Snowboarding | 70 | Crashmo | 86 | |
| 1080: Avalanche | 73 | |||
| Fighters | Survival Horror | |||
| SSB | 79 | eternal darkness | 94 | |
| SSBM | 92 | Fatal Frame | - | |
| SSBB | 93 | Spirit Camera | - | |
| Sims | Rail shooter | |||
| Animal Crossing | 87 | Starfox 64 | 88 | |
| Animal Crossing: Wild Word | 86 | Sin and punishment 2 | 87 | |
| Animal Crossing Wii | 75 | Kid Icarus Uprising (TPS) | 83 |

mii-gamer said:
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Actually that is really low. Let me list the Sony ones in the 7th and 8th generation.
FPS:
Killzone 2
Killzone 3
Killzone: Mercenary
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Resistance: Fall Of Man
Resistance 2
Resistance 3
Resistance: Burning Skies
TPS:
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception
Uncharted: Golden Abyss
Socom 4: US Navy SEALs
Socom: Fireteam Bravo
Socom: Fireteam Bravo 2
Socom: Fireteam Bravo 3
Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain
Syphon Filter: Drak Mirror
Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow
Pursuit Force
Pursuit Force: Extreme Justice
Resistance: Retribution
Hack n Slash:
God Of War: Chains Of Olympus
God Of War III
God Of War: Ghost Of Sparta
God Of War: Acsension
Simulation Racing:
Gran Turismo
Gran Turismo 5
Gran Turismo 6
Arcade Racing:
MotorStorm
MotorStorm: Pacific Rift
MotorStorm: Arctic Edge
MotorStorm: Apocalypse
Wipeout HD
Wipeout 2048
LittleBigPlanet Karting
ModNation Racers
ModNation Racers: Road Trip
2D Platformer:
LittleBigPlanet
LittleBigPlanet (PSP)
LittleBigPlanet 2
LittleBigPlanet PS Vita
Loco Roco
Loco Roco 2
LittleBigPlanet
3D Platformer:
Daxter
Jak And Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time
Knack
3D Fighter:
PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
Survival Horror:
The Last Of Us
Sports:
MLB games yearly
Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee
Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2
Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational
Adventure:
Gravity Rush
Tearaway
| GTAexpert said: Actually that is really low. Let me list the Sony ones in the 7th and 8th generation. FPS: Killzone 2 Killzone 3 Killzone: Mercenary Killzone: Shadow Fall Resistance: Fall Of Man Resistance 2 Resistance 3 Resistance: Burning Skies
TPS: Uncharted: Drake's Fortune Uncharted 2: Among Thieves Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception Uncharted: Golden Abyss Socom 4: US Navy SEALs Socom: Fireteam Bravo Socom: Fireteam Bravo 2 Socom: Fireteam Bravo 3 Syphon Filter: The Omega Strain Syphon Filter: Drak Mirror Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow Pursuit Force Pursuit Force: Extreme Justice Resistance: Retribution
Hack n Slash: God Of War: Chains Of Olympus God Of War III God Of War: Ghost Of Sparta God Of War: Acsension
Simulation Racing: Gran Turismo Gran Turismo 5 Gran Turismo 6
Arcade Racing: MotorStorm MotorStorm: Pacific Rift MotorStorm: Arctic Edge MotorStorm: Apocalypse Wipeout HD Wipeout 2048 LittleBigPlanet Karting ModNation Racers ModNation Racers: Road Trip
2D Platformer: LittleBigPlanet LittleBigPlanet (PSP) LittleBigPlanet 2 LittleBigPlanet PS Vita Loco Roco Loco Roco 2 LittleBigPlanet
3D Platformer: Daxter Jak And Daxter: The Lost Frontier Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time Knack
3D Fighter: PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale
Survival Horror: The Last Of Us
Sports: MLB games yearly Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee 2 Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational
Adventure: Gravity Rush Tearaway |
Maybe cuz i didn't add all the games? Cuz there is to many to list between 4 platforms?

mii-gamer said:
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That is still very low, if you don't count e-shop games.
Even my list is incomplete, so its all fair.
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Umm you need to do some research before you make claims. I can easily add more, but i think I made my point. Sony's offering pales in comparison [stuff] |
You should list the Wii version of TP (95), not the GC one (96). The GC version has 16 reviews listed, while the Wii version is sitting on 73. Always best to go with the larger sample size.
I have nothing else to add to the discussion, that just irked me for some reason 

Nintendo's problem isn't lack of new IP, it lack of new IP that broaden's its base of appeal, and Nintendo fans who don't embrace that new IP because they are all getting older and don't like the G-ratedness of the new stuff but ignore the G-ratedness of the old stuff because it's the beloved franchises they grew up with.
And the old and new franchises have no appeal to the millions of long time gamers that have chosen PS/Xb for the last 2 generations and PS for the last 3 generations and are sticking with those for this generation. Where is the appeal to draw PS/Xb gamers over to Nintendo? It sure ain't Splatoon or Wonderful 101.
Nintendo keeps looking elsewhere for buyers of Wii U instead of looking at actual gamers. They found a new audience with Wii but they didn;t stick around, and now there's no new audience. If they want to grow they don;t just need new IP, they need new IP that PS/Xb/PC gamers want and can't have on any of those 3 platforms. If they don't want to grow their player base then they can keep on doing what they're doing.
Nintendo is fortunate in that they have the unique ability to not sell much hardware but still remain viable because their software does sell very well considering the size of their player base. If they don't perceive a pressing need to sell substantially more consoles they won;t make all that much effort to do so.
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