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padib said:

@bold. Yes, that is correct. Rather this should have been the only thing he was moderated for, and Abbath with a very clear history of trolling Nintendo fans should have also been banned for breaking the rules, as well as the others who broke the rules. Also, RWH's personal doubts about the "ban-worthyness" of his posts means nothing. It's not up to him to judge, otherwise he would be mod. Lastly, Ali was being rude to RWH and baiting him into flaming by taunting him. This should come into play in your reasoning.

What shinobi says so far means little to me, I need to be deadly honest, because so far he has not shown much forward thinking in any of the matters I've brought up so far, no matter how many current or ex-mods would like to say the contrary (except in this post). Most of the replies so far parrot what's already been said before, adding little to the debate (especially this).

@underlined. Were the two of you You and Shinobi? Some mods are Sony-inclined, some are xbox-inclined, some Nintendo-inclined. If you are to consort with a mod on a controversial matter, may I ask that you discuss with a mod that's less inclined to be biased? Also, RWH is nothing like toastboy. How can you even say that?

@italics. Like which, and why would another thread not be accepted? Also, if ignorance is so important why didn't you agree with me when I complained about stealth trolling earlier?


I dont think you fully understand why RWH was banned, or simply do not accept that his history is the big sway here. Again, the thread was created to stir trouble and piss people off. In one post he says the topic needs to be brought up again and in another post he says that he hasnt seen any topic about it. He has posts talking about Sony remasters in different threads to boot. 

Abbath has one moderation since 2013 and that is to do with religion. His history has nothing to do with the topic, his post or anything else and him pointing out RWH's well known, well documented and well moderated Nintendo leaning history in a thread aimed at getting a rise out of people should not be moderated. Beyond that, even if you think a few people "broke the rules", Ill just remind you that they are guidelines first and foremost and common sense is pushed in front of them in situations like this.

No, Shinobi wasnt online and he already told you he had nothing to do with the decision. 

RWH is a well known trouble causer. toastboy was a well known trouble causer. RWH made a controversial thread about Sony, after a well documented history of trashing Sony and baiting Sony fans. Toastboy made controversial threads about Nintendo, after a well documented history of trashing Nintendo and baiting Nintendo fans.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7082473
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6903244
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=194269
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=193526
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7196191

5 selections and thats just the tip of the iceberg. His post history is full of digs, baiting, trolling and attacking people. With this history taken into account and the lies told, its a pretty easy decision to make. And yeah, Im more than happy to give someone a chance if they fall for the bait.

I didnt agree or disagree with you on stealth trolling. It is a major problem on these forums. I was agreeing with outlawauron (iirc) when he said he wouldnt want to be a part of a forum where posting about something you do not like is unwelcome. There is a difference though between posting about something you do not like and constantly doing your best to trash something and piss people off. 

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This isn't a Mafia thread.

The moderator has given his reasoning for his ban on the issue, other mods have come in and given their take on the issue. And from what I see, Carl has done a great job in expressing his reasoning for the ban and how he went about it. Shinobi has also been helpful in providing another perspective on the issue. Thanks guys! ^_^

They've provided their feedback and I'm more than satisfied with that.



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Are people seriously questioning whether or not RWH baits with posts and threads? Comparing this user to Toastboy is completely justified in my opinion, as someone who has seen his history and even moderated him myself; this is not something to be argued, it's simply a fact that this has been his game for some time.

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RolStoppable said:
Smeags said:
This isn't a Mafia thread.

The moderator has given his reasoning for his ban on the issue, other mods have come in and given their take on the issue. And from what I see, Carl has done a great job in expressing his reasoning for the ban and how he went about it. Shinobi has also been helpful in providing another perspective on the issue. Thanks guys! ^_^

They've provided their feedback and I'm more than satisfied with that.

Carl has done a great job, yes.

Shinobi not so much. I don't get why you get behind him when he argued in favor of incompetence on part of the mod team. You know, that doesn't make you look good. Although from my side I was not and am not interested in arguing against it because it simply cracks me up. I just wanted to say that I am fine with it despite my stance on the reasoning for the lackluster moderation in the past two weeks not changing, but you shouldn't be fine with it. Honestly, I don't think you are aware of everything he said. *EDIT: On second thought, it looks like you only refered to the RWH incident here. That's actually okay then.*

Now I'll review padib's ban reason because that came out of the blue. I'll let you know what I think about it later.

Not sure what it is that i did wrong here. Keeping in mind what the parameters are of this thread. I gave my opinion on how i would have handled the entitlement thread, and you seem to agree that the thread needed "closer observation". The mods who dealt with the report obviously felt differently about the thread, and to get a direct answer for you and padib I raised the query in the mod chat to get a reply from whomever made the decision. I also suggested a pm to the head mods as at that point the question was around a particular thread and user.

I dont agree with everything you an padib said though through out this discussion, and i stand by my stance. If me not doing a great job simply means not agreeing with you and padib then so be it. The aim of me participating in this discussion was to 1. Give my general view on stealth trolling 2. Give my opinion on how i would have handled the moderations/non moderations in question 3. To try and get some answers to the questions you guys had. I actually enjoy participating in this thread, and i try my best to make it contructive.

Feel free to point out exactly where i went wrong (probably best to do this in a pm) and il read it carefully and respond. But simply throwing around mod criticism in public without any explanation doesnt really help anyone.



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RolStoppable said:
Shinobi-san said:

Not sure what it is that i did wrong here. Keeping in mind what the parameters are of this thread. I gave my opinion on how i would have handled the entitlement thread, and you seem to agree that the thread needed "closer observation". The mods who dealt with the report obviously felt differently about the thread, and to get a direct answer for you and padib I raised the query in the mod chat to get a reply from whomever made the decision. I also suggested a pm to the head mods as at that point the question was around a particular thread and user.

I dont agree with everything you an padib said though through out this discussion, and i stand by my stance. If me not doing a great job simply means not agreeing with you and padib then so be it. The aim of me participating in this discussion was to 1. Give my general view on stealth trolling 2. Give my opinion on how i would have handled the moderations/non moderations in question 3. To try and get some answers to the questions you guys had. I actually enjoy participating in this thread, and i try my best to make it contructive.

Feel free to point out exactly where i went wrong (probably best to do this in a pm) and il read it carefully and respond. But simply throwing around mod criticism in public without any explanation doesnt really help anyone.

What you did wrong was in the sense of wrong for the mod team. I had said that lack of availability (not incompetence) is the reason why moderation wasn't on the same level as usual, but you disagreed:

If Padib reported the thread and the thread was not locked or moderated, then it means that a moderator or group of moderators purposefully made the decision to leave it open. So i dont think the issue is with availability here its actually with the decision taken by the mods.

You then went on to say what you would have done, so there's an implication of incompetence on part of the other mods here. That's what I meant by "throwing the rest of the mod team under the bus". So my first reaction to Smeags saying that you've been helpful was that I questioned if he's even aware of what you said, because a head mod praising a mod who throws the team under the bus is a very strange thing to witness.

So yeah, it's about that snippet above. Which was funny to begin with, because I had tried to steer the discussion in a direction that gives the mod team an excuse (a valid one, I might add). All you had to do was to say that the mod team was spread very thin during that time period, but you chose to do your own thing.

I see.

Other mods might have a different opinion on the thread though, and thats perfectly fine. As moderartors we dont always agree.



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I have a question for a Mod just so I don't get in trouble if I do it. I was going to create a thread about E3 predictions for sonys conference and make everyone guess all the announcements. Whoever gets the most right would win a $10 psn voucher courtesy of me. Would that be okay?



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Bell_Cranel said:
I have a question for a Mod just so I don't get in trouble if I do it. I was going to create a thread about E3 predictions for sonys conference and make everyone guess all the announcements. Whoever gets the most right would win a $10 psn voucher courtesy of me. Would that be okay?

Just had a quick look round and I can't see a thread for Sony predictions in the same vein as this one (though that doesn't mean there isn't one), so if that's the case I'm sure the mod team wouldn't have any objections to you making the thread

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Which I see you've just done actually. Always a good idea to check though.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.