| TheLegendaryWolf said: "It won't do much"? Super Smash Bros U will be far from obscure, especially with a HOLIDAY release. Will it outsell its 3DS counterpart? Probably not, but it'll sure sell millions of units lifetime either way. |
It wont outsell mario kart though. Historically Mario Kart is the more popular game.
it will help Wii U have a better holiday than last year and will be a strong selling game, that's pretty much what most people expect out of Smash U.
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| amak11 said: The controls may factor somewhat? Have you not played any god damn Smash Brothers game in your life. God The controls are the main reason these games are in the biggest fighting game tourney's. It's not some exclusive stages is 100% exclusive to each version. What you see in the 3Ds version, aside from the low poly Final destination is what you do not get in WIi U version. Do some reading ffs. You are trying to use the damn "Nintendo fans don't care about graphics" argument to justify whether or not sales will be hindered on the WIi U. The 3Ds is not the cheaper way to play smash either (if you have friends). The Wii U by far, if you want to play the game with friends is the cheapest option. Let's factor in cost shall we. To be fair we'll use the 99 dollar gamecube controller bundle aswell. You and 3 friends want to play the Wii U version of smash cause they do not have 3Dses and do not want to invest in a portable platform. For a Wii U, you're guarenteed to have gamecube controllers lying about, wiimotes and nunchucks, then there is the gamepad, then the Wii U pro controller. But for the sake of the example here, the 99 dollar bundle, from new with Wii U.. 225 (white Wii U basic), 99 for game, (you already have two controllers so far guarenteed).Maybe one of your friends has a gamecube controller or two lying about? Well you don't need to worry cause they brought their controllers, this keeps this total around 325 dollars, maybe around 425. The cost of actually buying in to smash bros for 4 people, with no 3DS, using the cheaper options (2DS and games). Total around 680 dollars for 4 consoles and 4 games. None of these people wanted to invest in a portable platform, so it's close to 200 dollars a pop for these people to even enjoy 1 game. GTA SA and the Last of Us were both available on their respective platforms a year before the superior versions so your examples here are bunk, especially with TLoU because Sony made that speciffically for new PS adopters. |
I don't need to play a smash in order to know how fighters work cause as far as anyone is concerned the 3DS already has the ncessary control layout in order to make the game playable. "It's not some exclusive stages is 100% exclusive to each version. What you see in the 3Ds version, aside from the low poly Final destination is what you do not get in WIi U version. Do some reading ffs." http://ca.ign.com/wikis/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/Version_Differences
It's absolutely funny how your telling me to do some reading when it's clear you don't know a damn about the new Smash. Ironic how an outsider like myself knows more than guys like yourself who keeps track ... It doesn't get anymore embarassing than this.
Why are you making so many godforsaken assumptions about cost ?
"To be fair we'll use the 99 dollar gamecube controller bundle aswell." Extra costs invloved for a peripheral already ? #Fail
"For a Wii U, you're guarenteed to have gamecube controllers lying about, wiimotes and nunchucks"And if you don't ? #Fail
"from new with Wii U.. 225 (white Wii U basic)" The WII U is starting at $300 ... #Fail
"Maybe one of your friends has a gamecube controller or two lying about?" So you have to assume that your friends have extra controllers ? #Fail
Your making it too easy for me to rip your arguments apart like it's nothing ... Face it, the 3DS is the cheapest way to play the game. #dealwithit
Your best case scenario only applies to local multiplayer and you once again assume that everyone wants to share the console as well as the game when most people are possessive of their belongings. Your proposal is null and void.
Doesn't matter if one game came later than the other since my point was in this case that technical superiority doesn't factor into sales. Bayonetta sold more on the PS3 despite the fact that it came later while being inferior. These occurances happen regardless of release date ...
Do you have any valid reasons as to why consumers should Smash on the WII U rather than 3DS ?
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I was joking ...
| oniyide said: first off calmn down. 2nd you are missing his point totatlly. He is not saying those things dont matter or using a graphics dont matter argument. He is saying that none of that matters becasue there will be some people satisfied with the 3ds version of the games. No matter how much better the wii U version is how to I know that? ill tell you in the end. I dont know where you are getting the cost from. but One copy is 40 bucks. the system is 200? so 240? Wii u is 300 plus 60 for the game? so 360 that is a different of 120. Now lets forget all that extra controllers, buying mult iple copies fo the the game. thats arbritrary. It is perfectly resonalbe that someone doesnt care about any of that. They simple want ot play smash bros. and if they want to play human opponents, they can find some with a 3ds fi they are taht into the series or just play the game online(thats what im doing and imagine alot of people are too) and if you want to refute that point keep in mind there are WAY more 3ds out thee than Wiius yes his examples were bad, here are two better ones. Lego city and sonic LW. the 3ds versions of those games got little to no coverage but they still sold better on 3ds the Wii U version of Lego was evne bundled for a bit. What does that mean, it means despite that list of advantages you stated for the wii U smash it wont matter because clearly people have no qualms in buying a inferior version of something as long as its serviceble (and smash 3ds is) |
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fatslob-:O said:
I don't need to play a smash in order to know how fighters work cause as far as anyone is concerned the 3DS already has the ncessary control layout in order to make the game playable. "It's not some exclusive stages is 100% exclusive to each version. What you see in the 3Ds version, aside from the low poly Final destination is what you do not get in WIi U version. Do some reading ffs." http://ca.ign.com/wikis/super-smash-bros-wii-u-3ds/Version_Differences It's absolutely funny how your telling me to do some reading when it's clear you don't know a damn about the new Smash. Ironic how an outsider like myself knows more than guys like yourself who keeps track ... It doesn't get anymore embarassing than this. Why are you making so many godforsaken assumptions about cost ? "To be fair we'll use the 99 dollar gamecube controller bundle aswell." Extra costs invloved for a peripheral already ? #Fail "For a Wii U, you're guarenteed to have gamecube controllers lying about, wiimotes and nunchucks"And if you don't ? #Fail "from new with Wii U.. 225 (white Wii U basic)" The WII U is starting at $300 ... #Fail "Maybe one of your friends has a gamecube controller or two lying about?" So you have to assume that your friends have extra controllers ? #Fail Your making it too easy for me to rip your arguments apart like it's nothing ... Face it, the 3DS is the cheapest way to play the game. #dealwithit Your best case scenario only applies to local multiplayer and you once again assume that everyone wants to share the console as well as the game when most people are possessive of their belongings. Your proposal is null and void. Doesn't matter if one game came later than the other since my point was in this case that technical superiority doesn't factor into sales. Bayonetta sold more on the PS3 despite the fact that it came later while being inferior. These occurances happen regardless of release date ... Do you have any valid reasons as to why consumers should Smash on the WII U rather than 3DS ? |
Because you're wrong. it will sell less, but the 3DS is not the reason. Plus easy to rip apart my statements? Hah, my statements are completely valid and have a point. The 3DS for you alone (because you have no friends I assume) to play online with (because That is so flawless /sarcasm) is not the ideal way. You don't know the community and in your words, you are an outsider so you really have no good opinion on it. You have the opinion of an outsider looking in, not of one with experience.
People will buy it for the multiple control schemes, besides if you actually played the 3DS version you will know of it's many slowdowns and lag issues. People don't like inferiority with Nintendo products. They expect it to work out of the box.
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amak11 said: Because you're wrong. it will sell less, but the 3DS is not the reason. Plus easy to rip apart my statements? Hah, my statements are completely valid and have a point. The 3DS for you alone (because you have no friends I assume) to play online with (because That is so flawless /sarcasm) is not the ideal way. You don't know the community and in your words, you are an outsider so you really have no good opinion on it. You have the opinion of an outsider looking in, not of one with experience. People will buy it for the multiple control schemes, besides if you actually played the 3DS version you will know of it's many slowdowns and lag issues. People don't like inferiority with Nintendo products. They expect it to work out of the box. |
@Bold Again with the circular logic ... If 3DS ain't the reason why Smash is going to sell less on the WII U then what is ?
@Underlined Yes, they are easy to rip apart and that wouldn't have happened if you didn't make countless assumptions ...
You mean 3DS for everyone else cause as far as I know your the only championing this case. FYI online multiplayer is by far more common than local multiplayer and it's the superior experience cause you can play almost anywhere plus using split screen is annoying.
Just where exactly the massive amount of reports where there are slowdowns and lag issues for the 3DS version ?
To be fair there are some lag issues in Smash. Online anyway. but that could always be patched up and more importantly it isnt nearly as bad as Brawl online. not even close. 3ds versions is at least playable
| Avro1958 said: In all honesty, the 3DS version of Smash is not going to hurt the WiiU version at all, if anything it will be a catalyst for higher sales. Look, there are a super high number of smash fans and the vast majority of them who will buy it on 3DS will also want to play it on a big tv and with friends in a more traditional sense. I would be the same way with NHL games if I could get a portable version... I would have both on console and portable just to get my fix whenever and were ever. |
You are being unrealistic.
Smash Fans who are double dipping most likely already have a Wii U already. The only subset of this fanbase that wouldn't have a Wii U now would be waiting for the bundle and at the same time would not buy the Wii U for any of the prior games.
Those who bought Smash on the 3DS because they wanted something to play are unlikely to buy the Wii U version much less buy a Wii U for the game itself. That's losts sales both for the console and the console version.
Parent's sure as hell aren't gonna double dip for their kids, why buy a 200+ bundle when they can just buy a 50+ bundle for their kids and call it a day.
"Super high number" is clearly way too much hype.
There is no way that the 3DS version can be construed as beneficial, its only siphoning off potential sales. Its not like a game demo. The extra features, controls, and big screen (3DS XL says hello), isn't going to be enough to make casuals do the unthinkable and double dip.
If Nintendo really wanted this to benefit the Wii U they should've made it Cross Buy. If 1/4 the 3DS userbase bought smash, then at least half of them would have a reason to buy a Wii U, that's 5 million sales right there.
But instead this competiton is supposed to help the game do better? Quite unlikely.
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| mZuzek said:
1. Of course the GameCube didn't do better than the PS2. I never said that. I never compared Nintendo's current situation to that time 7 years ago when they had the biggest gaming fad on the planet. All I'm saying is that Nintendo usually get bigger holiday boosts (when compared to non-holiday sales) than their competition, because of the same thing I said on #2. 2. I never said that either. I never said the 3DS would not affect the Wii U version's sales at all. What I did say was that the Wii U version's selling point are not the graphics, and it is true. It has essentially 3 big selling points - graphics is one of them, sure, but there's also the couch multiplayer factor and the gameplay with better controls and stuff. Also, it is a different game in several ways and it will feature interaction with the 3DS version. There is A LOT of incentive for people to get it over the 3DS version, as well as getting both. I doubt it will sell nearly as much as its handheld counterpart, and I agree it would potentially sell more if there never was a 3DS version in the first place, but it'll still do very good. 3. Are we just gonna start fanboying now? I don't know a single "hardcore" gamer that ever bought a GameCube for their "hardcore" gaming needs. The 21 million units the GameCube sold were mostly the core Nintendo fanbase. I'd say there's at least 15 million people who are big Nintendo fans and will buy every console. How the hell can you expect everyone to have made the move to next generation already? Heck, I might as well start bashing the PS4 and starting doom threads about how it will sell nothing because it only sold 11 million units so far, so obviously it won't sell anymore since it already has the entire Sony fanbase there. Seriously? It's been less than 2 years since the Wii U has launched - that alone is a lot of the reason why the entire Nintendo fanbase hasn't made the move yet. Most people who buy consoles don't get them this early, they wait further until there are more games and price cuts. Do you seriously think the entire fanbase gets a $350 console to play New Super Mario Bros. when they can wait 3 more years and pay around $200 for lots of Mario games, Zelda, Star Fox, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Yoshi, Kirby, new IPs and possibly more? |
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