| mZuzek said:
1. Of course the GameCube didn't do better than the PS2. I never said that. I never compared Nintendo's current situation to that time 7 years ago when they had the biggest gaming fad on the planet. All I'm saying is that Nintendo usually get bigger holiday boosts (when compared to non-holiday sales) than their competition, because of the same thing I said on #2. 2. I never said that either. I never said the 3DS would not affect the Wii U version's sales at all. What I did say was that the Wii U version's selling point are not the graphics, and it is true. It has essentially 3 big selling points - graphics is one of them, sure, but there's also the couch multiplayer factor and the gameplay with better controls and stuff. Also, it is a different game in several ways and it will feature interaction with the 3DS version. There is A LOT of incentive for people to get it over the 3DS version, as well as getting both. I doubt it will sell nearly as much as its handheld counterpart, and I agree it would potentially sell more if there never was a 3DS version in the first place, but it'll still do very good. 3. Are we just gonna start fanboying now? I don't know a single "hardcore" gamer that ever bought a GameCube for their "hardcore" gaming needs. The 21 million units the GameCube sold were mostly the core Nintendo fanbase. I'd say there's at least 15 million people who are big Nintendo fans and will buy every console. How the hell can you expect everyone to have made the move to next generation already? Heck, I might as well start bashing the PS4 and starting doom threads about how it will sell nothing because it only sold 11 million units so far, so obviously it won't sell anymore since it already has the entire Sony fanbase there. Seriously? It's been less than 2 years since the Wii U has launched - that alone is a lot of the reason why the entire Nintendo fanbase hasn't made the move yet. Most people who buy consoles don't get them this early, they wait further until there are more games and price cuts. Do you seriously think the entire fanbase gets a $350 console to play New Super Mario Bros. when they can wait 3 more years and pay around $200 for lots of Mario games, Zelda, Star Fox, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Yoshi, Kirby, new IPs and possibly more? |
- And I am saying that there is no real factual evidence that that is true. Nintendo only get better sales than its competition during the holiday season if ooking at things like the Wii/DS/3DS. At that time of the year you have soccer mums buying presents for their kids. A 3DS or Wii was right up there on the list of most bought presents. Thats not the case anymore, as theer isn't a fad pushing teh wiiU as there was one pushing the Wii.
Another thing to consider is simply looking at the holiday sales of the wiiUs first year, again theer is nothing about that that suggests that the same sale trends the wii enjoyed will also be shared by the wiiU. But as I said, time will tell. - Well I can't disagree with that logic. I just feel you are being a tad bit too optimistic and downplaying the effect of the game already being on the 3DS. Just look at it this way, assume most people that would buy a wiiU already has a 3DS, you really think a gam that they canget on the 3DS will be incentive enough for them to shell out $300+ on a new console? I am saying it won't move wiiU hardware that much for the same reason I said COD or any cross platform game won't really move PS4/XB1 hardware. The white PS4 sold so well not because of destiny, but rather cause it was a white PS4. There were people (like me) that bought a second PS4 and sold their black one just because i wanted a white console. That basically meant that some lucky person could get a PS4 and extra controller for $300. Still a +1 new gamer for sony
- Fanboying? you couldn't be more wrong. Especially considerring you point just clarifies exactly what i was saying. What does "hardcore gamer" mean exactly? In my book, thee are the people that aren't just playing a game because its dead easy and accessible or cause everyone else is playing it. These are the people that keep track of actual game franchises and and will try their hands at different types of games and buy more than 5 games a year. Those are the kinda people that buy consoles for games like Zelda, Mario, wonderful 101, star foz, SSB, Xenoblade, FF15, uncharted, Halo, Batman, Tomb Raider, The witcher...etc. The 21M people that bought a GC comprised mostly of those kinda gamers. The reason why the original XB and PS2 sold way more than the GC was simply cause those platforms had more games that appealed to those kinda gamers.
None of that has changed. And that is the problem nintendo faces. They have a core base of gamers (that they even ignored more in the time of the wii), the people that love nintendo games or will only play nintendo games. But that core base is at best measured by the size of the GC install base. Cause the wii was boosted by sales to casuals, people that are now gaming primarily on their phones (not even on a 3DS). When you take these into consideration, its hard to see where this large audinece people talk about when referring to nintendo is. Cause the wiiU is more a core console than it is a casual console. The kinda gamers that will buy the wiiU are the same kinda gamers that will buy a GC. And I don't know why saying this makes me a fanboy, but the numbers don't lie.
Lastly, no one said the entire anything should move, but think about this. One console is $300 and its predecessor sold over 100M consoles and has been out for almost 22 months. Another is $400 and its predecessor sold over 80M consoles and its been out for around 11 months. Which of these two consoles do you think should be selling more? Or is this thing about waiting for console prices to drop and pay less for more something taht only nintendo gamers do?
