Anything under F5 has no bearing on today as Forza is now a seasonal franchise.  It wont have the time to sale well due to longevity.  Also F5 numbers are heavly inflated by free giveaways.  Forza franchise has always been a heavly bundled one.  Its sales never really that good, damn xbox pew pew shooter bros.    Looking at Horizon1 low sales given the big user base it had to sale on, Horizen 2s sales will be around 1milion mark on X1 maybe.  All things point to selling less then its predecessor.  X1 user base would need to be bigger and to be growing at far greater rate then it is to do better.

Makes me think why they havent MS done a F5/H2 bundle for Europe ? that could be a decent seller.  

False again.

Forza Motorsports - 2005
Forza Motrosports 2 - 2007
Forza Motorsports 3 -  2009
Forza Motorsports 4 - 2011
Forza Motorsports 5 - 2013

Forza Horizon  - 2012
Forza Horizon 2 - 2014

Forza MS is on a 2 year schedule.  Same as FH.  Both caters to different crowds.

As more people buy XBO, more people buy forza.  Youre looking at about 2-3m for FM and 1-2m for FH. And id expect some bundling for Forza as well next holiday

And for good measure here is Forza 4 First 10 weeks

Forza 4

Global First Ten Weeks (Units)

Global Annual Summary (Units)

So you are basing the quality of the game and reception by metacritic, ok. Next time you want to say something is better in your opinion then have both, or if you want to state as fact then don't go in the subjective side.

I took 2 points for each Diamond I had to farm to obtain plat 

Not trying to be funny but this response sounds like something my son would say in an argument or debate he lost and he is freaking 7 lol.Not attacking you it just made me think of him when I read this post lol.

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Wow I am surprised DC sold better I honestly thought FH2 would have sold better. I guess I will have to check DC out when I get my PS4 and I already know I am getting FH2 when I get my XB1!

Forza is Forza, both cater the the same crowd which is Forza fans.  Theres is a Forza each year any way you want to argue does not take away from the fact.  Its over saturation and sales show that is having a negative effct.  DC outselling is proof, H2 low sales is more proof.  Forza sales have been falling since F3, add to the issues a lack of content and massive dlc costs are not helping its sales.  

FMS is a sim.  FH is an arcade racer.  That is like saying Mario kart and Driveclub are one of the same.  Or that Mario bros and Mario 3D is the same.  Or Need for Speed and Gran Turismo. theyre not.    

Yes, DC sold 15k more copies in the opening week.  I didnt say anything about that. DC also reviewed badly and has server issues.  IM not convinced that it will have legs yet, but it could., idk.  Forza on the other hand has always had good legs so i could see it do well overtime.  But you should do your research is all, which you dont appear to have done.  I wouldnt talk so big when it could drop off incredibly fast and you really dont know what is going to happen.  There is nothing to go by with DC.  It could do well or it could drop hard, we dont know

And FM4 - 5 drops are from 80m install base to launch game btw(Unless youre expecting 70% attach ratio, those numbers arent possible).

Talk about reserch, you could do well to take your own advice.  F Horizon is the same game engine as regular Froza, same game mechanics same tuning options and effect of said tuning.  There is nothing arcade about it.  Its a open world simulation based racer.  Fh is nothing like need for speed, a true arcade racer right there.  Forza had good legs when it took 2 years between a new Forza entering the market.  Forza and FHorizen will cannabilize each other sales, that is inevitable.

Over all the racer market will be quite saturated on xbox, with its small user base it speaks nothing good about big sales.  I especially see nothing good for Horizon2 sales after Forza6 debuts and its hype starts ramping up.  It will get easily over shadowed by its big brother.

Apparently not because these threads will keep being made

Im aware of all this already ;)  And still not a sim.  Im done here though, i dont feel like arguing in circles.  Have a wonderful day