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AZWification said:
Hynad said:
WagnerPaiva said:
FFXV will be embarrassingly bad.
X will be amazing.
End of the debate, can we go to lunch now?

Here's an unbiased take on it:

Both games will be amazing. 



if we go by that "unbiased" take, then only a small minority is unbiased.


Oh, I'm not unbiased per-se. But it is clear to the unclouded eyes that both games will be of the utmost quality, and I think it is quite telling when most of the people talking crap about FF XV are Nintendo fans. 



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padib said:
bigtakilla said:
WagnerPaiva said:
FFXV will be embarrassingly bad.
X will be amazing.
End of the debate, can we go to lunch now?


I think the best XV can hope for is to be underwhelming based on the hystory of Square-Enix. A look at their games like XI, XII, XIII, and XIV. Popular opinion would show most people think some are okay, while others are downright awful (the awful being XI, the XIII trilogy and the original release of XIV).

The people who hate Xenoblade are few and far between, with a lot either not knowing what they are talking about, or never really playing the game. X is destined for greatness.

Shawarma sound good?

 

Sounds true, but you can't judge an upcoming game on the quality of the games that came before it. There are cases of games that break the mold. If FF XI is bad to you, remember the game that came right before it was FF X and it was an amazing game. So at any time things can go either way.

The way I look at it, is like looking at a football team. Sure I can look back and see how many amazing teams my favorite team had or reminice about the super bowls we won back in the day, but that was a completely different team.  Has zero effect on my team now.  What changed?  Are the players not as good now, are other teams just that much better, does management suck, ect.  Why does my team suck now.  And due to them sucking for that last 5-10 years, its pretty easy to guess they will suck this year too.  Who knows, maybe we'll draft some amazing player and he miraculously turns it around.

Now swapping terms for Final Fantasy.  The games used to be great, but now aren't so much.  We can reminice about their past games all day and how great they were, but that is not what we see today.  What changed?  Is it new dev's?  Is it managements or publishers screwing shit up.  Maybe the quailty of others games is just so much better that now Final Fantasy doesn't stand out anymore.  Who knows what the exact reason is, but fact remains that Square Enix with their Final Fantasy series is now a sub par franchise and has been for many years.  I'm fully expecting a sub-par FF15, based on RECENT history, not going back 15-20 years.  Things where so much more different back then, you can't compare.  

Thus same reason Xenoblade X is compared to Chronicles, versus any other past game that mauy have been good or bad.  Because its more recent.  Their recent track record is good.  They went ot the superbowl last year versus 20 years ago.  



irstupid said:

The way I look at it, is like looking at a football team. Sure I can look back and see how many amazing teams my favorite team had or reminice about the super bowls we won back in the day, but that was a completely different team.  Has zero effect on my team now.  What changed?  Are the players not as good now, are other teams just that much better, does management suck, ect.  Why does my team suck now.  And due to them sucking for that last 5-10 years, its pretty easy to guess they will suck this year too.  Who knows, maybe we'll draft some amazing player and he miraculously turns it around.

Now swapping terms for Final Fantasy.  The games used to be great, but now aren't so much.  We can reminice about their past games all day and how great they were, but that is not what we see today.  What changed?  Is it new dev's?  Is it managements or publishers screwing shit up.  Maybe the quailty of others games is just so much better that now Final Fantasy doesn't stand out anymore.  Who knows what the exact reason is, but fact remains that Square Enix with their Final Fantasy series is now a sub par franchise and has been for many years.  I'm fully expecting a sub-par FF15, based on RECENT history, not going back 15-20 years.  Things where so much more different back then, you can't compare.  

Thus same reason Xenoblade X is compared to Chronicles, versus any other past game that mauy have been good or bad.  Because its more recent.  Their recent track record is good.  They WON the superbowl last year versus 20 years ago.  

Fixed, lol.



padib said:
Hynad said:

Oh, I'm not unbiased per-se. But it is clear to the unclouded eyes that both games will be of the utmost quality, and I think it is quite telling when most of the people talking crap about FF XV are Nintendo fans. 

We really don't know that yet. Both could very well suck.

I think it's fair to be optimistic given what we've seen so far, but I think people are allowed to be skeptical of one game or the other so long as they have good reasons for it.

So far I only see posts backed with reasons, even the "Xenoblade is an FFXII rip-off posts".

haven't played FF12, but xenoblades combat reminds me of MMO's a lot an pretty sure they ahve been around for longer than FF12 was.  So wouldn't Xenoblade be copying ff12, who was copying mmo's?



padib said:
irstupid said:

The way I look at it, is like looking at a football team. Sure I can look back and see how many amazing teams my favorite team had or reminice about the super bowls we won back in the day, but that was a completely different team.  Has zero effect on my team now.  What changed?  Are the players not as good now, are other teams just that much better, does management suck, ect.  Why does my team suck now.  And due to them sucking for that last 5-10 years, its pretty easy to guess they will suck this year too.  Who knows, maybe we'll draft some amazing player and he miraculously turns it around.

Now swapping terms for Final Fantasy.  The games used to be great, but now aren't so much.  We can reminice about their past games all day and how great they were, but that is not what we see today.  What changed?  Is it new dev's?  Is it managements or publishers screwing shit up.  Maybe the quailty of others games is just so much better that now Final Fantasy doesn't stand out anymore.  Who knows what the exact reason is, but fact remains that Square Enix with their Final Fantasy series is now a sub par franchise and has been for many years.  I'm fully expecting a sub-par FF15, based on RECENT history, not going back 15-20 years.  Things where so much more different back then, you can't compare.  

Thus same reason Xenoblade X is compared to Chronicles, versus any other past game that mauy have been good or bad.  Because its more recent.  Their recent track record is good.  They went ot the superbowl last year versus 20 years ago.  

Okay, though all I was saying in the post you replied to is that the logic goes both ways. If things changed so quickly for the worse after X (according to bigtakilla), then things can change for the better very quickly too. All the elements are still there for a great game, it's final fantasy after all.

If we were to compare with baking, they are still making chocolate cake. It will taste like chocolate cake, it might be better than the last good one, or it could be worse.

That's my opinion of it. History can be used both ways, in the direction of improvement and in the direction of worsening.

That would have to do with the team behind it though. The old Square team made the amazing games, so if they were still there I would be a lot less doubtful (never mind the fact that what has been shown so far leans towards what I liked the least about XIII which is customization). You should have to some degree earn trust and Team Squenix hasn't earned it yet.

This is more like once apon a time getting name brand items, now you're getting store brand that says compare to.



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Mother of God....
You'd think two of the biggest, most anticipated JRPGs of next year would be celebrated, but damn... so much arguing back and forth. I'm thankful that both are being made and look forward to playing them both.
Sheesh.



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Slade6alpha said:
Mother of God....
You'd think two of the biggest, most anticipated JRPGs of next year would be celebrated, but damn... so much arguing back and forth. I'm thankful that both are being made and look forward to playing them both.
Sheesh.


Did God have a mother? Play Xenoblade Chronicles X to find out! Lol, j/k.



Ka-pi96 said:
WagnerPaiva said:
FFXV will be amazing.
X will be embarrassingly bad.
End of the debate, can we go to lunch now?

Fixed

Lol, quit playing around man. No one is gonna take that seriously.



padib said:
irstupid said:

The way I look at it, is like looking at a football team. Sure I can look back and see how many amazing teams my favorite team had or reminice about the super bowls we won back in the day, but that was a completely different team.  Has zero effect on my team now.  What changed?  Are the players not as good now, are other teams just that much better, does management suck, ect.  Why does my team suck now.  And due to them sucking for that last 5-10 years, its pretty easy to guess they will suck this year too.  Who knows, maybe we'll draft some amazing player and he miraculously turns it around.

Now swapping terms for Final Fantasy.  The games used to be great, but now aren't so much.  We can reminice about their past games all day and how great they were, but that is not what we see today.  What changed?  Is it new dev's?  Is it managements or publishers screwing shit up.  Maybe the quailty of others games is just so much better that now Final Fantasy doesn't stand out anymore.  Who knows what the exact reason is, but fact remains that Square Enix with their Final Fantasy series is now a sub par franchise and has been for many years.  I'm fully expecting a sub-par FF15, based on RECENT history, not going back 15-20 years.  Things where so much more different back then, you can't compare.  

Thus same reason Xenoblade X is compared to Chronicles, versus any other past game that mauy have been good or bad.  Because its more recent.  Their recent track record is good.  They went ot the superbowl last year versus 20 years ago.  

Okay, though all I was saying in the post you replied to is that the logic goes both ways. If things changed so quickly for the worse after X (according to bigtakilla), then things can change for the better very quickly too. All the elements are still there for a great game, it's final fantasy after all.

If we were to compare with baking, they are still making chocolate cake. It will taste like chocolate cake, it might be better than the last good one, or it could be worse.

That's my opinion of it. History can be used both ways, in the direction of improvement and in the direction of worsening.

I really don't care for comparing unreleased games.  It seems silly to me.  Save that for after they come out, if at all.  But I do want to comment on the bolded.

It is much easier to take something good and make it bad, than to take something bad and make it good.



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