yes! they could change their unpublished decisions anytime if the game does good enough, definitely better than actually admitting two months before release that ''game is meant to flop''

Ubisoft is doing all they can to botch Watch Dogz WiiU. We need our own gaming botchamania, methink!

You do realise that they could change their decisions anyway, right? And if their game is meant to flop, I'd rather know it ahead of time, rather than buying a product expecting support, only for it to be pulled out from under me.

The sales were not satisfactory to Ubisoft, that much I know. The people can be older, that does not mean that they are looking for mature rated games or even plot driven games, and there is little evidence to prove the contrary, biggest third party game on the console, a mature rated game, also an exclusive, well advertised and constantly bundled title that reached a little less than 10% attach rate and not even close to 1 million sales.

Compare it to the competition, in the case of PS4, the 4 out of 5 best seller games are multi-platform, all reached 20% attach rate, and one of those is indeed the very same game that "nobody" wants to buy on the WiiU, now lets go to Xbox One, even with a smaller install base, almost every game released for it by third parties have sold way higher that the same version on Nintendo's console.

So a third party has to create an exclusive title (with higher financial risk), and even then most likely it will not reach the same numbers as a multiplatform title in 1 of the other 2 consoles, much less both combined? (I am not including PS3 or 360 because... really the numbers will only look worse)

I think everyone agrees that the game can be completed with only what is on the disk, so they are indeed providing a complete experience. The DLC is totally option and you can enjoy the full game without it, and you have to take into account that the sales of DLC on the Wii U well... it sucks, so is not solid financial sense to provide it for the very small amount of people who would but it.

The statement that the company provided to the media is 100% accurate and I dare you to challenge it, here it is: "What we see is that Nintendo customers don’t buy Assassin’s Creed. Last year, we sold in very small numbers." The gross generalization was a twist of some sites, but as you can see, he is right, we don't buy Assassin's Creed games, and they sold very small numbers last year.

We are a very vocal but small minority, I bet if everyone on this community buy a game or don't buy a game, we will not even register on their scale, if you indeed bought their games, that was a step in the right direction but sadly it was not enough, and not offering the DLC is the right bussiness decision, it suck for us, but if you are able to step in others shoes you will see that for many of us is not a reason not to buy a game that we want, specially when not all of us have a second console or gaming PC to say that "I will get another version".

Nobody is telling you to buy a game that you don't want, but if "punishing" the publisher is your reason for not doing it, you are only hurting you more than you are hurting them, and on the side you are hurting other fellow gamers than would like to get more 3rd party support even if it delayed and lacking DLC, because we just don't have enough money to get a second console or a gaming PC.

why don't leave out the disc. just sell cases with no game. Nintendo players will not notice.

This is so silly, if true, what they expect? 1mil sales? For a game that is already £15 in shops and already claiming the biggest disappointment award of the year!

       Again, you didn't provide factual evidence, e.g. sales, to prove your essertion that Child of Light was unsatisfactory for Ubisoft. Sure you may think they were unsatisfactory but you in no way KNOW they were, unless you somehow became the CEO of Ubisoft. What are you talking about? Mature gamers buy mature games, hardly any twelve year old is going to buy a hugely story driven game, but yes I agree with you just because they're older does not guarantee they are going to buy mature games but they are FAR more likely to and usually do, that's why there is a mature market in gaming for the mature gamers. And if you were referring to ZombiU (which I feel is underrated) it's really a niche game which doesn't appeal to a really broad audience, and honestly it wasn't advertised a lot (or effectively for that matter) I really didn't see anything on TV or the Internet that advertised it to a bigger audience (which was a waste because the walking dead timeslot would've been a perfect place to advertise it). Also the Wii U was selling horribly when it launched, it even had trouble selling its first party games, let alone a niche third party game, I'm even surprised it's still selling the way it is given that it's 2 years old. Of course multiplats sell well on the One and PS4, because third party devs hold those owners at a higher standard (for whatever made-up reason they say) and treat Wii U owners as second-class gamers. That's why this thread exists, they give Wii U owners shovelware and release a second-rate port 6 months late and don't support it with DLC and expect it to sell well and then if it doesn't they just blame it on the userbase. If they are going to release a game on different platforms then they should treat each port with the same respect and standards for all platforms (and yes that means releasing and advertiseing it with the rest of the ports). Really all the Wii U owners want is the same game released at the same time with the same amount of support that the devs do for the One and PS4, and that really isn't too much to ask for at all. The lack of third party support really does suck because the Wii U isn't THAT bad and can hold it's own agianst its competition because the market is there and will continue to grow only if the devs are actually willing to put quality work into their games and support it to make that happen.

Destiny is the biggest dissappointment of the year! 

Anybody got any reliable info on what resolution and frame rate we can expect for the Wii U version?

I think the reason they are not going to offer DLC is because they have low expectations from the game, maybe around 200k LTD, don't be surprised if it is also hard to find the game on stores because they are going to undership to avoid producing un-necessary units.