Are the related? I only had Xenosaga 2, which was great.

Again, he feels that it can only win in battle system. If that's how he feels, you can't change it. 

Nah.  I only played it recently for the first time, as an adult in my 30s mid PS3/360 era, having experienced the SNES/PS1 era first hand and still yearning for the JRPG golden era. I don't know how or why I missed Xenogears when it came out.

Yes it was clunky and ugly PS1 era but I was absolutely stunned. It dethroned FFII (4) as my fav game of all time for nearly two decades, no easy task.

I'll never forget how numb and stunned I physically felt when it all came together for me and I realized what was going on.

I think I saved and watched the intro video like a dozen times in a state of complete shock. It made zero sense and had nothing to do with anything in the game up to that point where I put 2+2 together, then suddenly everything happened, I remember the skulls etc and the feeling of awe and reverence when that hull came out of the water. It was damn near life changing and made me feel so tiny.

And when the credits rolled and the ending lyrics started...I cried like a baby.  The game backstory haunted me for months after,as I soaked up Perfect Works, etc. trying to make sense of the timeline, the Deus system design, etc. the relationships between all the characters and entities pulling the strings, the genetic history, etc. the emotional toll on the characters who broke free of the system discovering the truth and having the world they thought they knew completely shatter.

One of the greatest media transcending literary works of all time IMO.  

Lol, misunderstanding here.

Bigtakilla is just pointing out that Jumpin was contradicting himself, saying there is only one point Xenoblade can resonably win, and then saying Xenoblade also win in another one. 

I didn't, he did. Lol.

Xenogears is one of my favorite games of all time, so I definitely will have to lean towards it during this conversation. Memorable story, Insanely good soundtrack, interesting characters, and a fun battle system (that on the surface looks deeper then it really is granted, but every game has its weakness). As others have mentioned, the first disc is one of the best overall of the RPG genre, while the second disc definitely feels like they were rushed to meet a deadline and had to hurry through some important plot points.

On the flipside, I hated the Xenosaga games. Xenogears still was 90% GAMEPLAY, while Xenosaga felt like a movie.

Xenoblade in the middle.

Thats great man. THat's almos my opinion also. As I played it, maybe 15 years ago, my english wasnt as good as it is today. I understood that plot but probably didnt get a lot of subtle things. Also, as with most of the JRPG of that time, the translation wasnt that great also.

3 years ago I played FF tactic in the psp version, with a new translation and wow, what a difference.

I really don't understand how xenogears never received a DS, PSP or Android version. Look at Lunar, there are version everywhere. Why not Xenogears?

The best answer I could give is no one knows who owns the thing!

I wouldn't go that far personally. While I very much enjoyed xenogears story, and I believe it would be an above-average novel if written in that format, it certainly has many faults which would prevent it from being one of the "greatest literary works of all time." For a video game story it is excellent, and even if we are going to compare it to much of the fiction found in the novel format it is good/above-average, but certainly it wouldn't be anything spectactular as far as literatue goes. And that is fine, because it fits the role of a video game, and has a unique layer of complexity. 

This seems to have stagnated, the final results showing:

Best Xeno game according to VGC Members goes to! (With a whopping 74 vote lead.)

XENOBLADE CHRONICLES!!!

It's well deserved.