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cheryl on 09 September 2014

who needs sunset overdrive when we  will have...

natural doctrine, driveclub, infamous first light, little big planet 3, the order 1886, bloodborne, until dawn, uncharted 4, ratchet and clank reborn, guilty gear Xrd, rime, dragon quest heroes, persona 5, tearaway only on ps4?



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oniyide on 09 September 2014
Sharpryno said:

Just remember, Sony started it.

1. Destiny announced as exclusive for PS4 in Japan.
2. MS announced Tomb Raider as exclusive for Xbox everywhere.
3. Arkham Knight about to become a timed exclusive in Japan for PS4.

Stop with the MS hate. Sony is doing the same stuff. Exclusive AC4 and Watch Dogs content. Exclusive alpha and longer beta for Destiny as well as year long content exclusivity. MS gets DLC a bit sooner for its games, no worries about exclusive content.

Sony is playing worse imo.


lmao, those three arent even the same thing. And MS was doing that crap all last gen starting with JRPGS, GTA DLC, COD DLC. Didnt work too much and isnt working now.



LiquorandGunFun on 09 September 2014

its simple, peeps just have to get more educated in what they want to buy and dont knee jerk react to everything when it is first announced.



 

oniyide on 09 September 2014
The Fury said:
oniyide said:

I dont know where these guys are coming from but they are funny. Anyone who believes that an all digital console will have the same discounts as PC is living in a fantasy world. That is a closed system meaning they can charge whatever the hell they want and they know it, which is why MS tried to do that half ass nonsense they tried last year. Either you do things normally or you go all digital. IMHO an all digital will fail hard cause people will just game on PC. I think MS knows that which is why they didnt even go that far.

And lol to thats the future. I can still get books, cds and movie in physical format hell im getting Winter Solider just like that tommorow.

In order for a digital console to occur the consoles will need competition in their market places. At the moment MS, Sony and Nintendo currently only have their own shops which fix prices for as long as they can (Titanfall is sill £55 on Xbone Store, £20 in shops). If retailers were allowed to set up their own competing stores from the Xbox Menu to compete then prices will come down and a digital only console could happen.

PC gaming is cheaper for a few reasons (lack of having to pay console commission is one) but also because good competition is in place to have great deals and offers as well as competative pricing for new titles. Console stores have none of this, it's RRP or nothing.

I got Winter Soldier last week, best Marvel movie made yet. I also bought 2 graphic novels recently, I'm never going to read those on a ipad or phone, the idea of that is laughable.

And how likely is that to happen? I personally wouldnt hold my breath on that, which was my point to the other guy.

Not going to lie i have bought a few graphic novels digtally, only cause they were cheaper, arent options great?



dyremose on 09 September 2014

Well at least on consoles right? Pc might get it a few motnhs down the road



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The Fury on 09 September 2014
oniyide said:
The Fury said:

In order for a digital console to occur the consoles will need competition in their market places. At the moment MS, Sony and Nintendo currently only have their own shops which fix prices for as long as they can (Titanfall is sill £55 on Xbone Store, £20 in shops). If retailers were allowed to set up their own competing stores from the Xbox Menu to compete then prices will come down and a digital only console could happen.

PC gaming is cheaper for a few reasons (lack of having to pay console commission is one) but also because good competition is in place to have great deals and offers as well as competative pricing for new titles. Console stores have none of this, it's RRP or nothing.

I got Winter Soldier last week, best Marvel movie made yet. I also bought 2 graphic novels recently, I'm never going to read those on a ipad or phone, the idea of that is laughable.

And how likely is that to happen? I personally wouldnt hold my breath on that, which was my point to the other guy.

Not going to lie i have bought a few graphic novels digtally, only cause they were cheaper, arent options great?

I think it is as long as the commission is still present (so they get money anyway) why should they care? Normal disc based sales include console commission, it's no different. Main console shops would obviously make more money as they are direct and for both retailers they can reduce the cost due to lack of packaging. The reason why a current single shop system fails is that there's no competition on console so they can fix prices (even sales are 'fixed') evne then the prices are the same or more than high street retailers.

Let's put it this way, the largest UK retailer in the UK is GAME, I prefer to buy from them if I can because I can get points on my reward card. If GAME did a shop on PS4/Xbone, I would look into using them more because of the reward scheme, as long as the prices were competitive. PS Store/XBL would then compete and do deals to entice me to buy from them instead. 

And yes options are great, we have the freedom to choose why type of medium we purchase our content, and here's to it remaining that way.



Hmm, pie.

oniyide on 09 September 2014
The Fury said:
oniyide said:
The Fury said:

In order for a digital console to occur the consoles will need competition in their market places. At the moment MS, Sony and Nintendo currently only have their own shops which fix prices for as long as they can (Titanfall is sill £55 on Xbone Store, £20 in shops). If retailers were allowed to set up their own competing stores from the Xbox Menu to compete then prices will come down and a digital only console could happen.

PC gaming is cheaper for a few reasons (lack of having to pay console commission is one) but also because good competition is in place to have great deals and offers as well as competative pricing for new titles. Console stores have none of this, it's RRP or nothing.

I got Winter Soldier last week, best Marvel movie made yet. I also bought 2 graphic novels recently, I'm never going to read those on a ipad or phone, the idea of that is laughable.

And how likely is that to happen? I personally wouldnt hold my breath on that, which was my point to the other guy.

Not going to lie i have bought a few graphic novels digtally, only cause they were cheaper, arent options great?

I think it is as long as the commission is still present (so they get money anyway) why should they care? Normal disc based sales include console commission, it's no different. Main console shops would obviously make more money as they are direct and for both retailers they can reduce the cost due to lack of packaging. The reason why a current single shop system fails is that there's no competition on console so they can fix prices (even sales are 'fixed') evne then the prices are the same or more than high street retailers.

Let's put it this way, the largest UK retailer in the UK is GAME, I prefer to buy from them if I can because I can get points on my reward card. If GAME did a shop on PS4/Xbone, I would look into using them more because of the reward scheme, as long as the prices were competitive. PS Store/XBL would then compete and do deals to entice me to buy from them instead. 

And yes options are great, we have the freedom to choose why type of medium we purchase our content, and here's to it remaining that way.

but thats just the thing. I dont think the big three will even ALLOW it to get that far. You really see MS or hell even Nintendo, ESPECIALLY Nintendo not having a single shop on their consoles. Maybe im just being cynical and you are right.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 09 September 2014
JazzB1987 said:
daredevil.shark said:

TBH I dislike Microsoft because they devalued console gaming. Except the online play they have done nothing for console gaming. They should have stayed in PC and became the equivalent of valve. They nearly destroyed console gaming with DRM. They have very little cash and capable studios (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125163689&postcount=7090) to make real exclusives. If they just stayed in PC it would be great for everyone.


Correct me if I am wrong but sony did exactly 0 things for gaming.  Even the now "dead" sega did more for gaming than Sony.

And NO making gaming mainstream is not a positive thing at all.  its a negative thing since games get worse (just look at movies, and music and everything that becomes mainstream)

Your wrong. The main reason we have Disc Format, dual analogs, or even have Microsoft in the console industry is because of Sony. If you were part of the God Race you would understand that.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

The Fury on 09 September 2014
oniyide said:

but thats just the thing. I dont think the big three will even ALLOW it to get that far. You really see MS or hell even Nintendo, ESPECIALLY Nintendo not having a single shop on their consoles. Maybe im just being cynical and you are right.

It's not cynical to believe these companies will do all the can to 'fix' as much as they can to make as much money as they can. The idea is good but like you, I do not think it will happen not yet anyway. The consoles should act like PCs in the idea tht games can be played on them but without the expense and update for the use yet there are numerous ways to buy a game for it, download from various stores or disc based, from various stores.



Hmm, pie.

yvanjean on 09 September 2014
daredevil.shark said:
yvanjean said:

Resell and used game market is mainly hurting the developpers of software. I have no problem paying for great software. Like I said I'd rather a greater percentage of my money goes to the publisher. The only way to achieve this is with DRM. My PC is always online, most of my console have been always online since 2006. The Xbox one is not a portable device that access to internet is limited, it's meant to be part of entertainment hub and have access to the internet. DRM is pretty much what I do every time I log on to World of warcraft and no I have no problem with it.

Don Mattrick is a moron and Microsoft should of supported disc based game from the get go and slowly transition to a DRM policy. I think they should of offered digital game with DRM and requiring a always on policy in return customer get these games at a discount. While the retail disc copy can be resold, traded and played offline but would of sold for the same retail price we have now. 

By now most have used cloud storage well the next innovation is cloud processing, Cloud processing will greatly reduce the demand on the hardware and allow for graphical improvement over the year without having to upgrade the hardware. Cloud processing is only possible if the console is connected to the internet, require always online machine.

 

 


1. Lol. Is that a joke? We have used game market since the start of gaming. It is develoeprs fault to balance budjet and expectation.

2. It is not illegal. By purchasing a retail copy you have the right to resell it (if it is mentioned). I guess you have never purchased used products like cars or other things in your life.

3. Witcher 2 or the last of us are perfect example of balancing budjet and expectations. If you want to put resident evil 6 or tomb raider 2013 for comparisons sake then I have nothing to say. "Inefficient develoepors" needs to go bankrupt for the sake of the industry.

Then you're just limiting the type of games from the market... you can already see that there a big gap between the indie games and AAA titles. 

Pretty much all the 2nd party developers are gone. Company like GameStop, EB Games and Future/Best-buy (now) are reselling games for a 5-10$ discount and have gotten much more efficient at it. Most of the revenue from game sales goes to retail and as an industry we start seeing less and less new games and new IPs. (AAA Titles)

Games like Uncharted 2 & 3 are force to put in tack on multiplayer in order to deter customers from reselling their game right away. Uncharted was meant to be single player experience, but because of resale they're force to split the team energy to create multiplayer experience. Indies games can be fun but there only a few gems and growing number of mediocre games. I'd much rather have more AAA titles. 

New IP are rare and we wind up playing the same games over and over .... most of the innovation as been relegated to Indie games. Where they don't have the budget or staff to create AAA quality games.  

 

Gamers that play their games and immediately turn around and resell their game, are simply taking away money from games developers.  Same can be said for ISO apps.... Everyone simply wants to play for free. Hence, why there only crap apps and hardly any quality games on the ISO.