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jigokutamago said:
JEMC said:
jigokutamago said:

Also, some of the problems people have this older religious writings can be attributed to the fact that they were written thousands of years ago. Please consider these writings in the context of their times.

But shouldn't the actual rulers of those old religions be the first to put those old writings in context, not us?

I'm speaking to everyone, both the rulers and the rest of the world. Too many people take religious text at face value, religious people do it too.

I wholeheartedly agree with that.  Some people take what other men wrote way too seriously.

About religious people, the impression I take from news, interviews and other bits of info, is that this is one of those cases where the religious men and women that work and life alongside us and see how reality is, think and do one think. But the higher ranks in their orders, which more often than not know little about the problems of the "real world", do and say completely different things.



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jbriatico said:
JEMC said:
For religions, family comes first and with family comes children... and new members for their creeds.

Inter-racial couples still have children so they aren't a problem for them. Same sex couples, however, can't have children by themselves and therefore they are of no use (so to speak) for them.

Basically, that's how I see it, just my personal opinion.


By your logic, should we prevent all individuals that cannot have children to be married? That would include post-menapausal women, men with vasectomies or low sperm counts).  Should their be age restrictions on marriage?

Just to be clear, I'm in no way against same sex couples. I just wanted to make it clear if that was the impression you got from my post. I merely said what I think is the biggest difference of accept one group and not the other.

For me, people can do whatever they want as long as both (or more) parts agree and understand what are doing and it doesn't go against the law.



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eva01beserk said:

Another fun little fact. The original story of adam and eve. The original beings where adam and lilth, created at the same time from the ame dust. But god told lilith that she has to submit to adam wich she found unfair because they where meant to be equal. So then god threw her out of the garden and. God then made eve from adam so she has to submit, wich she did. So when adam and eve separated when kain killed abel, kain had sex with lilith to have many kids, then with seth(he was adam and eves third son, but they had many others) and even with adam, but eventually came back to eve and she only had kids with adam. They dont speak about daughters cuz women meant nothing to them, they had hundreds of daughters eaach, and only a handfull of sons, thats way men where aloud to have many wifes. So thats supost to be where diverssity came from.

The church around 200 hundred years after jesus came, had the highest ranking priest and such, to gather and regroup the storys into one bible, the new testament. SO they removed storys like this one, because women where taking it as a way to be empowerd or something, they also removed the book mary magdeleng wrote as she was originally one of the apostoles and called her a whore while she was jesus bride. They chose the most opresive storys and called it gospel, then when all around the world and burned all writen literature that had this storys and killed all that new. But a few scholars managed to save a copy of it all in a hiden cave next to the dead sea scrolls wich where found around 1970, but there where many hidden caves next to it so the full books where found around 1995. They are called the dead sea scrools and are the oldest livin gproof of the real bibles and the real storys from jessus. Althou the storys are mostly correct, they only removed or altered  the ones that could be used for them to loose power.

So if anyone wants to prach the real word of the prophets and jesus and all those other wise men, have to really read the dead sea scrolls and not the bible. Like someone said before me, I belive in god but not in relion. I attend church because there is a small group that does something besides judge others, and take money from the ignorant, and spread hatefull words. There should not be anyone on top with power, jesus said so, that it caused corruption, so no priest on pope, or anything of the sort should ever tell you they know more then you.

I always thought that was just jewish folklore, I had no idea that not only was it a fact, but a "fun fact."  :P  I am curious though if you actually have a link for an article talking about this secret cave.



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JakDaSnack said:
eva01beserk said:

Another fun little fact. The original story of adam and eve. The original beings where adam and lilth, created at the same time from the ame dust. But god told lilith that she has to submit to adam wich she found unfair because they where meant to be equal. So then god threw her out of the garden and. God then made eve from adam so she has to submit, wich she did. So when adam and eve separated when kain killed abel, kain had sex with lilith to have many kids, then with seth(he was adam and eves third son, but they had many others) and even with adam, but eventually came back to eve and she only had kids with adam. They dont speak about daughters cuz women meant nothing to them, they had hundreds of daughters eaach, and only a handfull of sons, thats way men where aloud to have many wifes. So thats supost to be where diverssity came from.

The church around 200 hundred years after jesus came, had the highest ranking priest and such, to gather and regroup the storys into one bible, the new testament. SO they removed storys like this one, because women where taking it as a way to be empowerd or something, they also removed the book mary magdeleng wrote as she was originally one of the apostoles and called her a whore while she was jesus bride. They chose the most opresive storys and called it gospel, then when all around the world and burned all writen literature that had this storys and killed all that new. But a few scholars managed to save a copy of it all in a hiden cave next to the dead sea scrolls wich where found around 1970, but there where many hidden caves next to it so the full books where found around 1995. They are called the dead sea scrools and are the oldest livin gproof of the real bibles and the real storys from jessus. Althou the storys are mostly correct, they only removed or altered  the ones that could be used for them to loose power.

So if anyone wants to prach the real word of the prophets and jesus and all those other wise men, have to really read the dead sea scrolls and not the bible. Like someone said before me, I belive in god but not in relion. I attend church because there is a small group that does something besides judge others, and take money from the ignorant, and spread hatefull words. There should not be anyone on top with power, jesus said so, that it caused corruption, so no priest on pope, or anything of the sort should ever tell you they know more then you.

I always thought that was just jewish folklore, I had no idea that not only was it a fact, but a "fun fact."  :P  I am curious though if you actually have a link for an article talking about this secret cave.

This amased me to when I first heard it, so I looked much into it. Here is the ovboius link of wiki that explains it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls 

Aparantly I was wrong with dates but whatever.

This is a translation of the scrols. http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm

I got to say that I only read parts of genesys and some other parts just because they where the highest on the controversy scale, but I intend on reading it all one day.... maybe.

But just google it. Theres a bunch of crap that comes up. Its not even hard to look for any info on it.

 

 



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tak13 said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
It's not because of religion in my opinion, but because lots of gay people try to try to turn straight people gay. Many politicians are jerks anyway.


oh my gosh...!how?you are borning homosexual/hetersosexual...so heterosexual cannot turn into homosexual or homosexual into heterosexual!if a straight guy is being stimulated with women,this will not change...so noone tries what you are denouncing,because is unfeasible...!

Not exactly. After giving it some thought, I remember hearing stories from my straight friends being approached by gay guys who wanted to sleep with them. They would say "want a bj?", my friends would say, "no thanks", and they would instist by saying "come on. No one will know". And whenever we go to gay clubs for fun they are hit on by gay guys and even after they tell them that they are not interested, some of them don't take no for an answer.

Keep in mind that many straight guys experiment or have sex with guys just to have sex (after a dry spell) and some others are in the closet. So I can definitely see some people believing that they can convince them to at least have sex with them. I've also seen many people saying that they're sure than no one is 100% and that most people are in fact bi (with which I disagree). So I guess they think they have a chance even with straight guys.  



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eva01beserk said:
tak13 said:

let me add to your comments some facts.How  eva and adam perpetuated the human race?did she have an incest with her son,the story implies that she had oh...?the story of eva and adam is before dinosaurs or after? I m religionless,i believe in god and jesus etc...but not in religion!Also masturbation is prohibited but all the self-named cristians masturbate...so it is way hypocritical someone dissapprove  homosexuality reliant to religion...

Another fun little fact. The original story of adam and eve. The original beings where adam and lilth, created at the same time from the ame dust. But god told lilith that she has to submit to adam wich she found unfair because they where meant to be equal. So then god threw her out of the garden and. God then made eve from adam so she has to submit, wich she did. So when adam and eve separated when kain killed abel, kain had sex with lilith to have many kids, then with seth(he was adam and eves third son, but they had many others) and even with adam, but eventually came back to eve and she only had kids with adam. They dont speak about daughters cuz women meant nothing to them, they had hundreds of daughters eaach, and only a handfull of sons, thats way men where aloud to have many wifes. So thats supost to be where diverssity came from.

The church around 200 hundred years after jesus came, had the highest ranking priest and such, to gather and regroup the storys into one bible, the new testament. SO they removed storys like this one, because women where taking it as a way to be empowerd or something, they also removed the book mary magdeleng wrote as she was originally one of the apostoles and called her a whore while she was jesus bride. They chose the most opresive storys and called it gospel, then when all around the world and burned all writen literature that had this storys and killed all that new. But a few scholars managed to save a copy of it all in a hiden cave next to the dead sea scrolls wich where found around 1970, but there where many hidden caves next to it so the full books where found around 1995. They are called the dead sea scrools and are the oldest livin gproof of the real bibles and the real storys from jessus. Althou the storys are mostly correct, they only removed or altered  the ones that could be used for them to loose power.

So if anyone wants to prach the real word of the prophets and jesus and all those other wise men, have to really read the dead sea scrolls and not the bible. Like someone said before me, I belive in god but not in relion. I attend church because there is a small group that does something besides judge others, and take money from the ignorant, and spread hatefull words. There should not be anyone on top with power, jesus said so, that it caused corruption, so no priest on pope, or anything of the sort should ever tell you they know more then you.


i know about lilith,i m glad that i m not the only one;)( when i saw someone to use eve and adam as an argument loooooool...i made reasearch and i learn the full story!This year i started to wondering for the validity of this story i hadnt  thought  of that never before...directly dinosaurs came into my mind,showing me that this story is a fairytale(that s why priests and church hate science because science can refute them,in my native country someday they wanted to forbid the lesson of biology;))however i believe in god (but not in religion)...because all these thing isnt  just a coincidence,someone must created them and in jesus because tought us love,tolerance(remember he protected the prostitute)frugality,modesty ,magnaminity and some other virtues!Keep in mind ,who they crucified them ,the  religious people who considered jesus tuition a subversive thing  that introduce new morals which undermine their religion,the today people who consider themselves great and perfect, because they are religious , those who always try to show how good they are and who is the best religious, they ressemble to the jesus crucifiers, the pharisees ! a question to you why old testament and new testament  are being together ,when they condradict each other loooool?p.s  most of the religious people are hypocrites,like those who were ready to stone the prostitute and jesus said them: he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her...



naruball said:
tak13 said:
The_Sony_Girl1 said:
It's not because of religion in my opinion, but because lots of gay people try to try to turn straight people gay. Many politicians are jerks anyway.


oh my gosh...!how?you are borning homosexual/hetersosexual...so heterosexual cannot turn into homosexual or homosexual into heterosexual!if a straight guy is being stimulated with women,this will not change...so noone tries what you are denouncing,because is unfeasible...!

Not exactly. After giving it some thought, I remember hearing stories from my straight friends being approached by gay guys who wanted to sleep with them. They would say "want a bj?", my friends would say, "no thanks", and they would instist by saying "come on. No one will know". And whenever we go to gay clubs for fun they are hit on by gay guys and even after they tell them that they are not interested, some of them don't take no for an answer.

Keep in mind that many straight guys experiment or have sex with guys just to have sex (after a dry spell) and some others are in the closet. So I can definitely see some people believing that they can convince them to at least have sex with them. I've also seen many people saying that they're sure than no one is 100% and that most people are in fact bi (with which I disagree). So I guess they think they have a chance even with straight guys.  

to be honest ,there is no straight experiments...those who would like to  have intercourse with a gay guy are apparently bisexuals...!



eva01beserk said:

This amased me to when I first heard it, so I looked much into it. Here is the ovboius link of wiki that explains it.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls 

Aparantly I was wrong with dates but whatever.

This is a translation of the scrols. http://www.ao.net/~fmoeller/qumdir.htm

I got to say that I only read parts of genesys and some other parts just because they where the highest on the controversy scale, but I intend on reading it all one day.... maybe.

But just google it. Theres a bunch of crap that comes up. Its not even hard to look for any info on it.

 


I think i'm missing something but that link was just for isaiah, do you happen to have a link for genesis?  I'm very intrigued by that story.



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drangleic_knight said:
The only reason a man and a woman start arelationship is to have kids..theres no point to a same sex marriage..it helps with overpopulation tho..other then that its disgusting not normal in any way..and most aids in america is from gay guys..wish people would make threads about games..everyday its some wierd shit about trannys or gays


that is because the people who created AIDS targetted homosexuals



o_O.Q said:
drangleic_knight said:
The only reason a man and a woman start arelationship is to have kids..theres no point to a same sex marriage..it helps with overpopulation tho..other then that its disgusting not normal in any way..and most aids in america is from gay guys..wish people would make threads about games..everyday its some wierd shit about trannys or gays


that is because the people who created AIDS targetted homosexuals


Drangleic is obviously some kind of narcissistic psychopath... What he is saying can easily be countered with:" if god loves straight couple, why do they get cancer and other diseases?"

Drangleic is just part of the scum that infests this universe, the lowest of lowest life form found in the entire universe, due to the fact that he choses by his own free will to spread hate, judgement, discrimination and is part of encouraging violence... God does not want to be assosiacted with people like him. God shuns those who spread hate, and kills joy and happiness. 

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