@OP:

If you like pedoplumber games it's the only valid choice.

I already said wait until the summer is over, Nintendo has thrown everything they got into this one event, while Sony had announcements at E3, Gamescom and they will have more at TGS (I don't think they'll have much at the Sep 1st. event). Also regarding the Wii, I went over to metacritic again, mainly because I wanted to make a list that goes down to 75 but I really can't be arsed, and no matter how I count it using your rules, I get 7 Wii exclusives with a 90+ score and 11 on PS3. So if we now adjust your table for that, we get to what I said from the beginning, they have a comparable number of worthwile exclusives.

Also I never said the PS4 was a better secondary console, that was never my point, my point was that they can be equally good secondary consoles.

Regarding the games, does it also mean nothing when WiLDs trailer is one of the most watched trailers to come out of Sonys Gamescom? Even ahead of the Bloodborne gameplay trailer?

I told you were I draw the cut off line, if Sony or Nintendo publish it or feel it's worth to seperately announce it in one of their conferences/directs (outside of an indie reel) then I'll count it, that way I won't count trash like the Letter or something, simple as that.

And don't go into the direction of who'd buy a console for this or what would sell more or less, cause that's not only something we'll have a hard time knowing with these digital titles, but it's also something that the PS4 is going to win most of the time. No Man's Sky could very well outsell several Wii U retail games put together for example and possibly sell more systems as well and if WiLD turns out as the thing it's supposed to be then that could too.

And finally, just to make you happy, yes I admit at the moment it looks like the X1 is the worst choice. Happy now?

Btw. it's ironic, I never said what my choice for a secondary system would be aside from the PS4 I'll eventually buy, it'd be a Wii U. That's because I really want to play the new Zelda though and not because its games are so different etc. Zelda could just as well be Gears and my secondary console of choice could have very well just been an X1, that's why I wondered why it's apparently so agreed upon that you don't buy an X1 with a PS4 or vice versa and that the Wii U is the best secondary system.

"So what Nintendo has the most games announced at the moment?" What indication is there that Sony will ever catch up? They fell further behind at E3 2014 and it's not like PS4 just released. Nintendo's biggest E3 for the WiiU was 2013, so why was Sony's 2014 so weak? The fact is WiiU often gets a lot of exclusives that never make it to PS/XB, and the gap is going to grow (just like it did for Wii). Unless you can show us why you expect this pattern to change, WiiU makes a metter 2nd console then PS4 or XB1.

Now stop stepping around the subject, you made an arguement based off false facts, and instead of admiting to being wrong, you choose to ignore facts? WiiU has more Retail, and Digital games then PS4. Like the Wii the number of exclusives (even if you only count the high quality ones) will grow. So tell me why will PS4 be a better secondary console then WiiU?

Regarding XB1, will you also admit WiiU is a better second console then XB1?

What if we don't see a difference after TGS? E3 was suppose to be both PS4's and XB1's time to shine, and neither announced anything big (this is why most gamers voted Nintendo as the winner for E3).

P.S. Regarding the PS4 Elimination game, Rime & Wild doing well means nothing. I've hosted a few of those games and seen a lot of meh do well. A lot of people vote up games which are about to die, so that they can downvote a more popular game they don't like, giving it a lower rank.

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Regarding digital games, how do you propose that you measure it? Few people will buy a $300-$400 console for 1 or 2 $20 digital games, but for 1 or 2 $70 retail games, they might. I bought my WiiU for XenoBlade Chronicles and Mario Kart 8 (only 2 games), but for a smaller budget arcade title.......that's quite the investment.

Yes maybe Wild, Rime are popular on VGC, but can you tell me that it will sell more then Pushmo World? Casual games tend to sell better, and Pushmo is made by Intelligent Systems (Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Paper Mario) and they also have a track record to making quality games.

Where do you draw the cut-off on what counts for digital games? Like I said before there are about 130 digital games in development for the WiiU exclusively, much much more then the PS4, but can we count each of those on par to Pushmo World, Rime, Uncharted, Zelda, etc?

So how do we differentiate?

Maybe he didn't want to distract you from me. Clearly I'm not the only one who read our posts and has come to the conclusion that WiiU has more exclusives in development. So admit to being wrong.