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YoungG said:

The Halo series has been in a steady decline.  Halo is not dead but this a new generation.  It's not the new IP anymore.  Halo MCC is just a bunch of games people have already played.  The hardcore will buy but the casual gamer is not going to invest all of their time MCC with all the shooters already out.  Halo and Gears is getting a little old.  It's going to be like COD at this rate.


It's quite sad really how much faith fanboys put in a single franchise. I actually know someone who will buy (and actually probably has already bought), and Xbox One and his reason will be, "because Halo...". It's depressing really because he just comes across like a brainwashed psycho. Don't get me wrong, being a fan of something is fine, but he practically worships Halo; he even named his dog Coltana.

I'd understand if it was an especially deep series but it's not. It's a by the book sci-fi FPS that's honestly no different than Killzone and a lot less impressive than Bioshock. The story isn't anything special, in fact if anything it's cliché, and the character of Master Chief is boring. Now sure, people play it for the multiplayer, but even then it's multiplayer is as standard as you can get and really seems no different with each new game. Halo 2 and Halo 3 felt identical in multiplayer to me, and not all that different from basically every multiplayer FPS out there. Why is this the must have game? I really don't get it.



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Yep, MS needs to discontinue the Xbox One, pack it up and focus on Windows and Surface. There's never been a place for 2nd in a console race.



Interesting thread with some very interesting points being made.



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waza2323 said:
freedquaker said:

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Alright, I can have a rational conversation with you.

=> Thank you. Also keep in mind that I was a big X360 fan last gen and did prefer X360 until the second half of the generation. Even though I do dislike Microsoft as a company, I have nothing against the XBOX brand.

Past trends have shown that the Xbox 360 would get a much bigger boost in the last quarter of the year when sales during Oct-Dec are almost 50% of the rest of the year.

=> I do agree that X360 got bigger boosts but this is because more than half of X360's sales were in US. Europe doesn't experience this level of fluctuation. This is a REGIONAL PHENOMENON, NOT CONSOLE-SPECIFIC. This generation, as I have already shown in my previous thread mathematically, Xbox will still get a bigger boost globally but because PS4 has a larger market share in US, holiday sales will have a very similar effect for PS4 in US as well (and remember, our focus is US here). So holidays will virtually do nothing favoring XB1's market share (since PS4 will have similar boosts).

the 2 special bundles and Halo MCC will be coming out, while PS4 does not have any eclusives on that level....
when Halo 5  comes out, my opinion is it will be a system seller and Xbox will begin to win month after month in US. Halo 5 is a true system seller and appeals more to the US market.
=> Well, both yes and no. You're wrapping a very subjective judgement based on a rational argument. It's true that Halo is a system seller but it was a system seller in the past overwhelmingly because of the user base and network effects, most of which is now gone. Many people who would play Halo already switched to PS4, which affects the people in their circles as well. Also Halo is not what it used to be. Yes, it is still system seller, but without being the poster child of the yore, its appeal is limited to a much smaller audience. Expect some motion, but not miracles. Also obviously being enchanted by the Xbox line-up, you don't wanna see the failure of the Titanfall hype and the relative ease with the success of "The Last of US". Many PS4 exclusives will just continue to surprise you, simply because it has a huge crowd who are supporting and behind it. Remember, the majority of the third party games already sell better on PS4. This is a spiral, which has never been broken in US history, and no signs of reversal either.

When all the people who are still on last gen are waiting to upgrade, many will choose Xbox. By the time June 2016 comes around, Xbox marketshare should be 55%
=>  How do you know that people who are waiting are to going to an "XB1"? I mean, as a rational person, let's compare....

* Exclusives... may swing both ways... let's say 50-50, you may argue 40-60 in XB1's favor, understandable
* Third party... definitely PS4.... I don't think with a good heart anyone would prefer XB1 with 3rd party in mind. let's say 90-10
* Price.... not an issue anymore, let's say 50-50
* Game-focus and features (auto installation, online free games etc), let's say, 60-40 favoring PS4
* Network features... I can understand some XB1 bias in US, let's say, 40-60
* Network effects... More PS4 owners, more to come, let's say 60-40
* Media, fan hype .... Favoring XB1 on one side, bad publicity on the other, let's say 50-50

Depending on how strong these perceptions are, it may go either, right? But it would be very for a CLEAR MIND to see that this is a CLOSE CALL in THEORY. But you actually observe what is going on. Obviously the THIRD PARTY GAMES and the NETWORK EFFECTS have already decided the outcome. Maybe the prohibitive price and bad publicity has affected the XB1's fate in a bad direction, but this has been already negated by the price-and-hype-insensitive xbox fans who bought a XB1 at launch regardless. So what is happening in 2014 is a summary of what is gonna happen... And the effect of price gap also reveals itself... XB1 sales have gone up but sales are still lower than PS4. Overall,  there is absolutely no sign of XB1 recovering its market share over 50% (just like I said 1 year ago!)

Those exclusives and other Xbox related boosts may give XB1 occasional victories and will probably decrease the annual sales gap. But they will decrease it from 39% to something more palatable like 25-30%, and that's it. PS4 will still sell more annually, and every year.  That's what the market says, and that's what you get out from the little CRITERIA CHART above.


This...is just too rational.

 

Haha I have to admit your logical deduction and argumentative skills are on point lol


As I had indicated multiple times in my conversations and analyses, the reason PS4 is winning (especially in US) is not because of the hardcore games who come to these forums, but the console-neutral more relaxed / casual crowd. As always, I turned out to be right. Below is an article directly quoted from Sony!


http://www.vgchartz.com/article/251838/sony-casual-and-family-audience-has-gravitated-towards-the-playstation-4/



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

Sales Estimations for 8th Generation Consoles

Next Gen Consoles Impressions and Estimates

I think the XOne will do just fine in the US, maybe not as good as the PS4, but good nonetheless.



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drake_tolu said:
waza2323 said:

Sorry, you are wrong.

Xbox One is only 670k units behind in US despite all the bad press, negative PR, arrogant and mixed messages, $100 more price point.

Despite this, many games have still sold more on xbox one than ps4 in US with much higher attach rate, like call of duty ghosts and battlefield 4.

With price parity now at $399, upcoming holiday bundles, Halo MCC, and next year Halo 5, Xbox will win US and k.

  Now, I can agree, xbox one will not win anywhere close to the margin that xbox 360 spanked ps3 (by 17 million) but in the end, Xbox wil win US and UK while PS4 wins globally.

This site never fails to underestimate Halo. Sony has nothing even close to it that will appeal to the US and UK market who love shooters. Halo is a true system seller and by the time holiday 2015 comes along and beyond, MS will start to gear up even more with potential pice cuts, even more bundles and maybe egars of war collection.

 

PS2 have sold 40,000,000 more than XBOX in USA...

Apples to oranges.  PS2  had a shit ton of 3rd party exclusives back then, and was also the DVD player of choice in the USA.  Sony lost most of their major 3rd party exclusives last gen, which was their top selling point because their 1st party lineup didn't move consoles during the PS2 era.... if you don't believe me on that, go ahead and look at the software totals.  Other than Gran Turismo 3 and 4, there are ZERO 1st party titles in the top 25 PS2 games.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

KdxlavkdX said:
I think the XOne will do just fine in the US, maybe not as good as the PS4, but good nonetheless.


It is already doing good, I think it will do great



TheDrill said:
KdxlavkdX said:
I think the XOne will do just fine in the US, maybe not as good as the PS4, but good nonetheless.


It is already doing good, I think it will do great

Well.... the PS4 Destiny bundle outsold the X1's best SKU for the year on Amazon , so nope. And in less than 3 days!!!

EDIT: And..... PS4 beats X1 in August NPD. The gap continues to widen.



They lack inspiration, thats why theyll lose.



TheDrill said:
waza2323 said:

Sorry, you are wrong.

Xbox One is only 670k units behind in US despite all the bad press, negative PR, arrogant and mixed messages, $100 more price point.

Despite this, many games have still sold more on xbox one than ps4 in US with much higher attach rate, like call of duty ghosts and battlefield 4.

With price parity now at $399, upcoming holiday bundles, Halo MCC, and next year Halo 5, Xbox will win US and UK.

Now, I can agree that xbox one will not win anywhere close to the margin that xbox 360 spanked ps3 (by 17 million) but in the end, Xbox will win US and UK while PS4 wins globally.

This site never fails to underestimate Halo. Sony has nothing even close to it that will appeal to the US and UK market who love shooters. Halo is a true system seller and by the time holiday 2015 comes along and beyond, MS will start to gear up even more with potential price cuts, even more bundles and maybe gears of war collection.


finally a reasonable person.

I've been telling this to people forever, even had a thread, but it got closed for no valid reasons.

Titanfall on X1 in the US sold more than any PS4 game.

You mean the one that got bundled for free with every XBO



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