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FentonCrackshell on 21 August 2014

He means that XBOX ONE is more competitive because it's competing with WiiU. PS4 is competing with no one.



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DonFerrari on 21 August 2014

I can imagine just 2 types of most competitive and one MS is good at but with their OS and the other they are bad. Windows dominates its market since DOS, in consoles they never were the most competitive just the richer. Like that kid who wants to win everything but sucks at things so resort to cry foul and underhanded tricks.
1st: stronger competitor, sells the most and domain the market.
2nd: loves to compete and is always wanting to win. Ms loves to monopolize and dime whatever they can.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 21 August 2014
FentonCrackshell said:
He means that XBOX ONE is more competitive because it's competing with WiiU. PS4 is competing with no one.


Well, WiiU is ahead X1 in LTD and have been ahead on weekly sales for a month or so. So at the moment WiiU is a stronger competitor.
well,



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

teigaga on 21 August 2014
taggartaa said:
teigaga said:

Well he's kinda right, competitive does not mean better selling.

Its games have a higher metacritic.
It has more AAA exclusives
Its cheaper to produce then PS4
It has a busier fall line up then the PS4.
Probably will be in more supply based on what others have said.
Kinect is far more functional then PS eye (not sure about the cost difference though)

The only way the PS4 seems competitive seems to be on the goodwill it has with customers and its power/resolution advantage.

People seem more interested in playing sides, then they are in applying logic.

"Its cheaper to produce then PS4"

That has nothing to do with competitiveness, the price of the console is what you should be comparing.

Sales is a metric used to determine how competitive you actually are in an industry. To be competitive, you must be in a competition with someone (i.e the ps4). So ask yourself, what is Microsoft's/Sony's goal with these consoles, what are they competing on? Is it to have the most AAA exclusives? Is it to have the busiest fall line up? To help you answer this question, ask yourself this, would Microsoft trade its "busier fall line up" for more sales? Everything you mentioned is just Microsoft trying to drive up sales, that is the goal of these companies, and that is where the competition between them is.

I shoulda elaborated on the cost of production point, being cheaper to produce gives MS more room to undercut sony. They're are already doing it their bundles (throwing in free games, althouh it could just be MS are cutting deeper into their pockets to try and help the XO).

In regard to bolded If something is competitively priced, you are not saying that due to price, its sales automatically equate to more then it competitor, but that on paper price is an attribute which gives it a competitive edge(something that should work in its favour). I.e Nintendo dropped the Wii U price prior the next gen console releases to make it more competitive, it doesn't necessarily mean it was realised through an actual sales advantage. To be highly competitive doesn't mean that you are outperforming everyone else, merely that you are taken more actions to do so.

Ultimately though this comes down to semantics, there is room to interpret on the meaning behind the word depending on the context but here its blaringly obvious what he means.



teigaga on 21 August 2014
the-pi-guy said:
teigaga said:

Well he's kinda right, competitive does not mean better selling.

Its games have a higher metacritic.  - PS4 does.
It has more AAA exclusives  
Its cheaper to produce then PS4 - XBO costs more.  
It has a busier fall line up then the PS4.
Probably will be in more supply based on what others have said.
Kinect is far more functional then PS eye (not sure about the cost difference though)

The only way the PS4 seems competitive seems to be on the goodwill it has with customers and its power/resolution advantage.

People seem more interested in playing sides, then they are in applying logic.

All the biggest games are also on PS4-CoD, Assassin's Creed, Destiny.  

"XBO costs more" Oh really? I guess their scale of production offset XBO's cheaper components.

 

As for games, of the ones which differentiate them XBO's titles are rated higher (exclusives). Unless that too has changed since I last checked.



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Dgc1808 on 21 August 2014

Is that last paragraph a compliment?



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LivingMetal on 21 August 2014
fighter said:
LivingMetal said:
fighter said:
LivingMetal said:


Yes.  PR can come in several forms, truth and spin are two on them.  We have no reason to believe that the 10 million PS4 units sold to consumers is not the truth.  So there is a difference here.  And this thread has nothing to do with Sony.  So please do not attempt to downplay their success when a valid point has been made that does not favor the PR image of Microsoft.

exactly, that's my point, saying PR is PR is invalidating any difference in reality


What the hell are you talking about?

you just need to read the beginning of the quote tree earlier in the thread


No Idon't.  You're just trying to justify yourself especially since other as well as myself saw through your original post.



fighter on 21 August 2014
LivingMetal said:
fighter said:
LivingMetal said:

you just need to read the beginning of the quote tree earlier in the thread


No Idon't.  You're just trying to justify yourself especially since other as well as myself saw through your original post.

either you clarify your point or you cease to derail the thread - it is impossible for me to answer such an obscure insinuation



fighter on 21 August 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
fighter said:
kitler53 said:

most competitive or comprehensive is an opinion at best and seeing the slaughter of xbox in the 13 regions it is released in a pretty unpopular opinion.

 

but yeah, both PR.   the main difference being that sony's PR is good PR and ms's is fairly laughable and an obvious attempt to try and spin their poor fortunes into something other than the massive failure xbox has been to date.

then why not prove it instead on relying on it being PR ?

Silly Billy.

You cannot prove an opinion. Since they are both PR statements, since everything said by a commercial entity publically is a PR statement, the company has a vested intrest in stating it.

Since Sony's announcement is a fact, even though they obviously said it for their benefit, the content of the fact itself remains the same.

However, since this MS's Rep claim, "XB1 is more competitive" is an opinion, then it not only is skewed to make the company and the product look good, but it is also completely subjective and not valid in any kind of rational discussion. What he says holds the same weight as a fan saying "XB1 is the most competitve because its Xbox". Now you see that can't make any kind of logical sense now can it?

if you deny my logical point then answer this : if it's an opinion that you cannot prove then how is it "obvious" ?



FlamingBlob on 21 August 2014
fighter said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
fighter said:
kitler53 said:

most competitive or comprehensive is an opinion at best and seeing the slaughter of xbox in the 13 regions it is released in a pretty unpopular opinion.

 

but yeah, both PR.   the main difference being that sony's PR is good PR and ms's is fairly laughable and an obvious attempt to try and spin their poor fortunes into something other than the massive failure xbox has been to date.

then why not prove it instead on relying on it being PR ?

Silly Billy.

You cannot prove an opinion. Since they are both PR statements, since everything said by a commercial entity publically is a PR statement, the company has a vested intrest in stating it.

Since Sony's announcement is a fact, even though they obviously said it for their benefit, the content of the fact itself remains the same.

However, since this MS's Rep claim, "XB1 is more competitive" is an opinion, then it not only is skewed to make the company and the product look good, but it is also completely subjective and not valid in any kind of rational discussion. What he says holds the same weight as a fan saying "XB1 is the most competitve because its Xbox". Now you see that can't make any kind of logical sense now can it?

if it's an opinion that you cannot prove then how is it "obvious" silly billy ?

Umm some opinions can be wrong......Example, x1 is more powerfull the ps4 I have seen many with this opinion, this is technically incorrect.