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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
curl-6 said:

I never said they should have delayed the PS3 version. And I don't buy that they didn't have PS4 plans before the original release.

 If thats the case then why release it in the summer? The worst possible time to release games? Why not release it on launch? Its not like they had any idea the PS4 would beat the XB1 and the XB1 had more exclusives at the time. It doesn't take very much time to plan a remake in most circumstances, especially not on a new game like TLOU and Naughty Dog already had access to the PS4 way before it launched. Surely, you aren't suggesting that TLOU:RE had a planning time longer than the launch exclusives Knack and KZSF because that makes no sense.

EDIT: on second thought, the discussion of whether naughty dog planned it or not is meaningless, because actual development time matters. What your saying is that it took longer than 8 months, which is the time from PS4 launch in Nov till TLOU:RE release in Jul 30. to plan and develop a remake to a game? Thats not how the industry works.

Like I said, planning takes place well before actual execution. But we're going in circles. I see it as a lowbrow move, you guys don't.



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Vgchartz used to have a joke article section similar to the onion, I think this would be really good article to play with "I sold the PS4 trying to trick people by believing the hype but then people actually bought it and they want to be tricked even more. I'm scared! " - shu yoshida

Heh, really? Why did it disappear then?



                
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curl-6 said:

Like I said, planning takes place well before actual execution. But we're going in circles. I see it as a lowbrow move, you guys don't.

Honestly, you might be right, but its a moot point simply because the only way it isn't possible is if Naughty Dog never had access to the PS4. You would never know and you're just speculating, but it really doesn't matter becase you can't prove it either way. 

Plus regardless of if it was planned b4 the PS4 or not, it still does not account for 6 months the time between its release and the PS4's release.

And really, where your argument of it being a low brow move, which is opinion, falls short is that you claim TLOU: RE was in planning well before the PS4's release that may very well be true. But then that means that the original TLOU must have been in plans and development much earlier than that.

If you can provide an example of other cross platform games developed in 2011-2013, then you have evidence to your beliefs, but if its just your opinion that its a lowbrow move, then really your just being Naive, because both Nintendo and Microsoft have done it in similar capacity and I have yet to see you call them out. Actually, I don't think Microsoft has done it, and Nintendo doing it with a first party is even more guilty then Sony doing it with a subsidary if Naughty Dogs has done so. 



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
curl-6 said:

Like I said, planning takes place well before actual execution. But we're going in circles. I see it as a lowbrow move, you guys don't.

Honestly, you might be right, but its a moot point simply because the only way it isn't possible is if Naughty Dog never had access to the PS4. You would never know and you're just speculating, but it really doesn't matter becase you can't prove it either way. 

Plus regardless of if it was planned b4 the PS4 or not, it still does not account for 6 months the time between its release and the PS4's release.

And really, where your argument of it being a low brow move, which is opinion, falls short is that you claim TLOU: RE was in planning well before the PS4's release that may very well be true. But then that means that the original TLOU must have been in plans and development much earlier than that.

If you can provide an example of other cross platform games developed in 2011-2013, then you have evidence to your beliefs, but if its just your opinion that its a lowbrow move, then really your just being Naive, because both Nintendo and Microsoft have done it in similar capacity and I have yet to see you call them out. Actually, I don't think Microsoft has done it, and Nintendo doing it with a first party is even more guilty then Sony doing it with a subsidary if Naughty Dogs has done so. 

Show me examples of Nintendo remastering a game just a year after its initial release.



curl-6 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
curl-6 said:

Like I said, planning takes place well before actual execution. But we're going in circles. I see it as a lowbrow move, you guys don't.

Honestly, you might be right, but its a moot point simply because the only way it isn't possible is if Naughty Dog never had access to the PS4. You would never know and you're just speculating, but it really doesn't matter becase you can't prove it either way. 

Plus regardless of if it was planned b4 the PS4 or not, it still does not account for 6 months the time between its release and the PS4's release.

And really, where your argument of it being a low brow move, which is opinion, falls short is that you claim TLOU: RE was in planning well before the PS4's release that may very well be true. But then that means that the original TLOU must have been in plans and development much earlier than that.

If you can provide an example of other cross platform games developed in 2011-2013, then you have evidence to your beliefs, but if its just your opinion that its a lowbrow move, then really your just being Naive, because both Nintendo and Microsoft have done it in similar capacity and I have yet to see you call them out. Actually, I don't think Microsoft has done it, and Nintendo doing it with a first party is even more guilty then Sony doing it with a subsidary if Naughty Dogs has done so. 

Show me examples of Nintendo remastering a game just a year after its initial release.

You know that's not possible  because Nintendo stopped support the Wii well before they released the Wii U. Cause you know, screw those who bought the Wii.

However, I never said an identical capacity because tlou:re is the only case of that to my knowledge.

That being said, Wii Sports Club, a 50$ remake of a free game, is a remake that is clearly a rip off.

Or do you want to explain to me how you could call TLOU:RE a lowbrow cash grab, and not Wii Sports Club?



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You know that's not possible  because Nintendo stopped support the Wii well before they released the Wii U. Cause you know, screw those who bought the Wii.

However, I never said an identical capacity because tlou:re is the only case of that to my knowledge.

That being said, Wii Sports Club, a 50$ remake of a free game, is a remake that is clearly a rip off.

Or do you want to explain to me how you could call TLOU:RE a lowbrow cash grab, and not Wii Sports Club?

Simple: Club had meaningful upgrades over the original and didn't come out barely a year after it.

Still a dumb move, but not as bad as TLOUR.



curl-6 said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You know that's not possible  because Nintendo stopped support the Wii well before they released the Wii U. Cause you know, screw those who bought the Wii.

However, I never said an identical capacity because tlou:re is the only case of that to my knowledge.

That being said, Wii Sports Club, a 50$ remake of a free game, is a remake that is clearly a rip off.

Or do you want to explain to me how you could call TLOU:RE a lowbrow cash grab, and not Wii Sports Club?

Simple: Club had meaningful upgrades over the original and didn't come out barely a year after it.

Still a dumb move, but not as bad as TLOUR.

Unsurprisingly, you defend Club.

Club an HD remake, not 1080p, with online multiplayer, costs 50$ while the original was completely free.

Tlou:RE was a 1080p 60 fps remake with 20 dollars worth of dlc, costs 50$, while the original was 60$.

Seems to me TLOU:RE is only worse for you because is made by Sony, yah I said it, 

You can't say biased crap like worse or better, no that isn't gonna fly, its either all bad or none of it is. 

You want to complain about a remake after a year that Sony made once, completely ignoring the fact that the reason you are so offended in the fact that the of TLOU:RE is because Sony, and to a degree MS with the 360, actually supports their console long enough for this to happen. Further more game of the year editions aren't new and only some of them of them are discounted.

 

Hell how can you even suggest TLOU:RE as a bad move is beyond me, if your suggesting a cross release on PS4 and PS3, then one an already completely game is delayed would be delayed for 8 months, consumers would be charged 60$ for both versions and the PS4 would not have any of that DLC, until it was released costing another 20 dollars.

You're telling me that saving the consumer 30$ is low brow and anti consumer? Really, how about that.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

Unsurprisingly, you defend Club.

Club an HD remake, not 1080p, with online multiplayer, costs 50$ while the original was completely free.

Tlou:RE was a 1080p 60 fps remake with 20 dollars worth of dlc, costs 50$, while the original was 60$.

Seems to me TLOU:RE is only worse for you because is made by Sony, yah I said it, 

You can't say biased crap like worse or better, no that isn't gonna fly, its either all bad or none of it is. 

You want to complain about a remake after a year that Sony made once, completely ignoring the fact that the reason you are so offended in the fact that the of TLOU:RE is because Sony, and to a degree MS with the 360, actually supports their console long enough for this to happen. Further more game of the year editions aren't new and only some of them of them are discounted.

 

Hell how can you even suggest TLOU:RE as a bad move is beyond me, if your suggesting a cross release on PS4 and PS3, then one an already completely game is delayed would be delayed for 8 months, consumers would be charged 60$ for both versions and the PS4 would not have any of that DLC, until it was released costing another 20 dollars.

You're telling me that saving the consumer 30$ is low brow and anti consumer? Really, how about that.

Repackaging and reselling a game not even a year old and not announcing it until 3 months out to keep people buying the PS3 version so they'd double dip is poor form and anti-consumer behaviour. If Nintendo had done the same with Wii U remasters of Skyward Sword, The Last Story, or Xenoblade, I'd be calling them out on it.



curl-6 said:

Repackaging and reselling a game not even a year old and not announcing it until 3 months out to keep people buying the PS3 version so they'd double dip is poor form and anti-consumer behaviour. If Nintendo had done the same with Wii U remasters of Skyward Sword, The Last Story, or Xenoblade, I'd be calling them out on it.

You have no idea what went into the development of TLOU:RE and are just speculating to fit your agenda and support your claims. You have no information on when the development of the game started and claim again on your own biases that this game was was planned before the PS4 released and simply not announced because they wanted to get more sales.

In this fiction, you've manufactured then it does appear that, Naughty Dog prioritized making money over providing the PS4 version earlier.

This however is also the weakness of your claim.

Had Naughty Dog released TLOU:RE earlier, I argue that it wouldn't have affected PS3 sales to a significant degree. This is because each version is limited to the platform it is on. PS4 sales would suffer tremendously, because of the limited userbase, and worse yet, the developer support would have been split between TLOU and TLOU:RE which is extremely anti-consumer, moreso than you're allegation of double dipping.

If anything, releasing the PS4 version on launch is extremly anti-consumer, because its screws over all the people who bought the game 5 months earlier. Even yearly releases have the the decency to wait 12 months.

In other words, the benefit of waiting is much more in the intrests of the consumer, not to mention it was fans who requested TLOU:RE in the first place.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

You have no idea what went into the development of TLOU:RE and are just speculating to fit your agenda and support your claims. You have no information on when the development of the game started and claim again on your own biases that this game was was planned before the PS4 released and simply not announced because they wanted to get more sales.

In this fiction, you've manufactured then it does appear that, Naughty Dog prioritized making money over providing the PS4 version earlier.

This however is also the weakness of your claim.

Had Naughty Dog released TLOU:RE earlier, I argue that it wouldn't have affected PS3 sales to a significant degree. This is because each version is limited to the platform it is on. PS4 sales would suffer tremendously, because of the limited userbase, and worse yet, the developer support would have been split between TLOU and TLOU:RE which is extremely anti-consumer, moreso than you're allegation of double dipping.

If anything, releasing the PS4 version on launch is extremly anti-consumer, because its screws over all the people who bought the game 5 months earlier. Even yearly releases have the the decency to wait 12 months.

In other words, the benefit of waiting is much more in the intrests of the consumer, not to mention it was fans who requested TLOU:RE in the first place.

TLOUR was obviously in production long before its reveal in April. Did Sony do the consumer friendly thing and let gamers know it was coming well in advance, so they could make an informed choice? No, they held off to manipulate people into double dipping.