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Metrium said:

And what's wrong with OoT? Did you even play the thing? And if so, did you play remembering that this game came out in 1997. That game created trends, it established new standards in so many levels, unlike TLoU who just followed a trend. I never mentioned OoT before you did, altho I indeed do believe it deserves that spot. But the fact that did'nt mention it and you did makes me think that if I'm raging against TLoU like you said, you clearly have the same problem with OoT.

As someone who keeps hearing how OoT set trends and as someone who has had it on his backlog for a longtime, I have to ask. What trends and standards did OoT set?



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Metrium said:
bouzane said:
Metrium said:
#1 is a complete joke. It should barely make the top 10. The fact that it has a ''deep'' story that is completly cliché and predictable and that this game takes itself for a movie does'nt make it the best game of all time despite ppl getting hipnotised by it's story to see this game as what it's not. Especyaly when the story is absolutly the only thing this game has.

Great stories are common, gameplay prefection is rare and only the games that achieve it should be in the top 10.TLoU only has a great story and it's its marketing, production and the fact that it's made from Naughty Dog that helped this game get overhyped above the rest creating a snowball effect (seriously, from the moment we've seen the first CGI trailer with the ND logo that game was already considered by many to be a futur best game of all time contender...)


Great stories are extremely rare in video games. Also, why all of the rage, is it really that bad that Ocarina didn't win?


Maybe ''common'' was a strong word to use, but so is ''extremely rare''. The Arkham games had great stories, so does the Quantum Dream games (I hate them but they do have a great stories from what I heard). I think Bethesda games have great stories. Did'nt play them but from what I heard so did Mass Effect. Biochock had great stories (one could argue that Infinite's ending was terrible but so was TLoU). Tomb Raider had a really good story. I'm not into Assassin's Creed but from what I heard most of them have really strong stories.Warcraft has a terrific story and lore behind it. I'll also add RPGs like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem to my list.

You can feel free to disagree with some of those games, but truth is that the approach of telling a story first and then focussing on the gameplay latter is a trend that is far from being rare since last gen. The presentation is what's matters the most nowadays and it's not a trend that I agree with.

And what's wrong with OoT? Did you even play the thing? And if so, did you play remembering that this game came out in 1997. That game created trends, it established new standards in so many levels, unlike TLoU who just followed a trend. I never mentioned OoT before you did, altho I indeed do believe it deserves that spot. But the fact that did'nt mention it and you did makes me think that if I'm raging against TLoU like you said, you clearly have the same problem with OoT.


Sorry but none of those games have good stories, NONE of them. They have 1/2 dimensional characters, plots that range from simple to contrived and not a single one would make for a great novel. The Last of Us blew me away for the simple fact that it was a video game with a decent story. Nothing earth shattering but there was some actual character development, something I have barely ever encountered in any other video game. Also, what was so wrong with the ending? It was one of the only endings that wasn't the usual, safe Hollywood style happy ending.

I agree about the whole gameplay coming before story and how Naught Dog needs to refine their gameplay more. I would personally call The Last of Us the game of the year but not the best of the generation or all time. I was just happy to see a game better than Ocarina force it out of the undeserved top spot is all.

Also, who cares what year Ocarina came out? I play games from the late 70's and early 80's all of the time and enjoy them for what they are. Ocarina is a flawed game and those flaws interfere with my enjoyment at times. I don't like the shallow, repetitive combat, the gigantic, empty overworld and I despise having to pause/unpause the game in the Water Temple to equip/unequip those damn boots! Also, where's the classic Zelda theme when I boot it up, it's supposed to greet me at the title screen :P. It's a great game, but I played better in 1998, let alone today. If we are going to give it the GOAT just because it innovated and pushed the medium there are other games just as deserving of the title.

The way you were raging gave me the impression that it was because Ocarina was upset, sorry about making that assumption.



Good list, tho these days it seems storytelling has a bigger impact than actual gameplay... Yes, i'm talking about Last of Us, MGS3 and The Walking Dead.



AWFUL LIST! The Last of Us over Ocarina of Time, Halo 1 or 2, and Final Fantasy VII??? LOLOLOL!! The Last of Us doesn't even have A THIRD of the impact those two games had.

This should be called "the most hyped games of the past 10 years" cause it seems to be voted mainly based on hype of recent games.



This list is...baffling.



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I would add some / reorder some but overall great list, which is based on popular vote. Much more representative of broad core gaming than all my f-ing Top 20 are Nintendo games lists you see sometimes.



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Scoobes said:
Metrium said:

And what's wrong with OoT? Did you even play the thing? And if so, did you play remembering that this game came out in 1997. That game created trends, it established new standards in so many levels, unlike TLoU who just followed a trend. I never mentioned OoT before you did, altho I indeed do believe it deserves that spot. But the fact that did'nt mention it and you did makes me think that if I'm raging against TLoU like you said, you clearly have the same problem with OoT.

As someone who keeps hearing how OoT set trends and as someone who has had it on his backlog for a longtime, I have to ask. What trends and standards did OoT set?


Not saying it was the first game ever to do so but it at the very least inspired many many many games that followed it. The 3D world exploring, the Z targetting... Ppl would be crazy to deny that it's puzzle and it's formula of going from dongeons to dongeons (altho present in previous games of the franchise) did'nt inspire many, it's sense of adventure... I could probably nitpick a few more examples but I think this is enough.



 

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Captain_Tom said:

 Both have never been done so well before without one getting in the other's way.

What?

 



KinlochKing said:
Why is final fantasy on this list? And wtf is top ten?its blanked out on my screen


Its called spoilers. Just select blanked out texts. They will be visible.



Captain_Tom said:
Metrium said:
#1 is a complete joke. It should barely make the top 10. The fact that it has a ''deep'' story that is completly cliché and predictable and that this game takes itself for a movie does'nt make it the best game of all time despite ppl getting hipnotised by it's story to see this game as what it's not. Especyaly when the story is absolutly the only thing this game has.

Great stories are common, gameplay prefection is rare and only the games that achieve it should be in the top 10.TLoU only has a great story and it's its marketing, production and the fact that it's made from Naughty Dog that helped this game get overhyped above the rest creating a snowball effect (seriously, from the moment we've seen the first CGI trailer with the ND logo that game was already considered by many to be a futur best game of all time contender...)


LOL this is where you and those like you are so wrong.  The Last Of Us gets its praise from the fact that its gameplay AND its story are 10/10.  Both have never been done so well before without one getting in the other's way.


How is it's gameplay a 10/10? What element in this game is so out of this world? Everything in this game has been done before. You can't possibly tell me that the shooting is 10/10 and best shooting you have ever seen. Cover based elements? Yep, done before. Stealth elements, also done before and done better by many... Upgrading you'r weapons, picking up items off the ground, trowing grenades, all done before. Melee fights, lol done before and way better, the melee from this game not only sucks, but it's also OP. I think I've killed more enemies by smashing the square buttons over and over than by shooting. Hmm... what gameplay elements does that game have... Oh yeah! The way you can manipulate your enemies, I'ts pretty neat I'll give it that, but not enough to make this game a 10/10. I think the best thing about this game are the clickers, and they are awfully underused.

And don't get me started on the AI, oh boy oh boy, I could talk alot about those. Like my allies screaming next to clickers or walking right in front of a ennemie and stand there right in front of him w/o anything happening....

So yeah, I just said what I think, but I'm very curious, what gameplay element does this game have that is so perfect? Cause the way I see it, the gameplay was shoehorned into the game in order to progress thru the story so they just added elements done before and well known cause it's probably not to hard to do so and called it quits w/o putting much brainpower into any elements (with maybe the exception of the clickers) cause all brainpower was focused on how to make us care and cry about these characters.



 

What?! I can't hear you over all this awsome! - Pyrrhon (Kid Icarus:Uprising)

Final Ultimate Legendary Earth Power Super Max Justice Future Miracle Dream Beautiful Galaxy Big Bang Little Bang Sunrise Starlight Infinite Fabulous Totally Final Wonderful Arrow...FIRE! - Wonder-Red (The Wonderful101)