Empire Magazine - The 100 Greatest Games of all Time

[bouzane]

Metrium said:

bouzane said:

Metrium said:
#1 is a complete joke. It should barely make the top 10. The fact that it has a ''deep'' story that is completly cliché and predictable and that this game takes itself for a movie does'nt make it the best game of all time despite ppl getting hipnotised by it's story to see this game as what it's not. Especyaly when the story is absolutly the only thing this game has.

Great stories are common, gameplay prefection is rare and only the games that achieve it should be in the top 10.TLoU only has a great story and it's its marketing, production and the fact that it's made from Naughty Dog that helped this game get overhyped above the rest creating a snowball effect (seriously, from the moment we've seen the first CGI trailer with the ND logo that game was already considered by many to be a futur best game of all time contender...)

Great stories are extremely rare in video games. Also, why all of the rage, is it really that bad that Ocarina didn't win?

Maybe ''common'' was a strong word to use, but so is ''extremely rare''. The Arkham games had great stories, so does the Quantum Dream games (I hate them but they do have a great stories from what I heard). I think Bethesda games have great stories. Did'nt play them but from what I heard so did Mass Effect. Biochock had great stories (one could argue that Infinite's ending was terrible but so was TLoU). Tomb Raider had a really good story. I'm not into Assassin's Creed but from what I heard most of them have really strong stories.Warcraft has a terrific story and lore behind it. I'll also add RPGs like Xenoblade and Fire Emblem to my list.

You can feel free to disagree with some of those games, but truth is that the approach of telling a story first and then focussing on the gameplay latter is a trend that is far from being rare since last gen. The presentation is what's matters the most nowadays and it's not a trend that I agree with.

And what's wrong with OoT? Did you even play the thing? And if so, did you play remembering that this game came out in 1997. That game created trends, it established new standards in so many levels, unlike TLoU who just followed a trend. I never mentioned OoT before you did, altho I indeed do believe it deserves that spot. But the fact that did'nt mention it and you did makes me think that if I'm raging against TLoU like you said, you clearly have the same problem with OoT.

Sorry but none of those games have good stories, NONE of them. They have 1/2 dimensional characters, plots that range from simple to contrived and not a single one would make for a great novel. The Last of Us blew me away for the simple fact that it was a video game with a decent story. Nothing earth shattering but there was some actual character development, something I have barely ever encountered in any other video game. Also, what was so wrong with the ending? It was one of the only endings that wasn't the usual, safe Hollywood style happy ending.

I agree about the whole gameplay coming before story and how Naught Dog needs to refine their gameplay more. I would personally call The Last of Us the game of the year but not the best of the generation or all time. I was just happy to see a game better than Ocarina force it out of the undeserved top spot is all.

Also, who cares what year Ocarina came out? I play games from the late 70's and early 80's all of the time and enjoy them for what they are. Ocarina is a flawed game and those flaws interfere with my enjoyment at times. I don't like the shallow, repetitive combat, the gigantic, empty overworld and I despise having to pause/unpause the game in the Water Temple to equip/unequip those damn boots! Also, where's the classic Zelda theme when I boot it up, it's supposed to greet me at the title screen :P. It's a great game, but I played better in 1998, let alone today. If we are going to give it the GOAT just because it innovated and pushed the medium there are other games just as deserving of the title.

The way you were raging gave me the impression that it was because Ocarina was upset, sorry about making that assumption.