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jnemesh said:
Machiavellian said:
jnemesh said:
Everyone needs to QUIT using the PS3/360 battle as an example! It's a different game than it was 8 years ago! NONE of the advantages that the PS3 had last gen, that enabled them to catch up and eventually surpass the 360 have anything whatsoever to do with where the XB1 stands or where it's going in the future!

You can debate what happened last gen until you turn blue...but it's not going to play out the same way this time guys. There is ZERO chance of the XB1 EVER taking the lead this gen. In the US or globally. The BEST that they can hope for is that they beat out the WiiU for a distant 2nd place...and even that is not assured!

How exactly did the PS3 catch up to the 360.  Was it the multiple price drops.  Was it the removal of all of the initial components within the PS3 when it wasn't selling so good so Sony could drop the price.  Was it Sony retooling the PS3 to build it cheaper, so Sony could drop the price again.

Things do not have to play out the same as last gen but to ignore obvious facts last gen seems to be short sighted.  You sound like the people who were claim the PS3 was dead during those rough years for the PS3.  Sony made many price drops to get the PS3 to a price where consumers preceived the value as acceptable.  It only takes one screw up to turn momentum.  If not for the RROD with the 360 who knows what this gen would have looked like.  Nothing is set and this gen there will be plenty of opportunities for each company to make either smart or dumb moves.

The biggest difference was that people were buying PS3s as blu-ray players and later, Netflix streamers.  (my parents did, and they don't game at all)  It also had better build quality than the 360, support for 1080p in games, non proprietary cables and connectors, and a larger library of exclusive games.  But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your argument.

I think your memory is missing on a few items.  You only have to go to Eurogamer Digital face off to see that both systems coud do native 1080P games so not sure why you using that as a point.  Exactly what proprietary cables and connectors are you talking about.  I remember that the PS3 did not even come with a HDMI cable while MS did when they change their SKU with an HDMI output.  Exactly how large are the exclusives compared to the 360.  What does that have to do with anything??



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Forget it man, I am not arguing with you.  You believe what you want...obviously nothing I say is going to change your mind.



Captain_Tom said:
Machiavellian said:
jnemesh said:
Everyone needs to QUIT using the PS3/360 battle as an example! It's a different game than it was 8 years ago! NONE of the advantages that the PS3 had last gen, that enabled them to catch up and eventually surpass the 360 have anything whatsoever to do with where the XB1 stands or where it's going in the future!

You can debate what happened last gen until you turn blue...but it's not going to play out the same way this time guys. There is ZERO chance of the XB1 EVER taking the lead this gen. In the US or globally. The BEST that they can hope for is that they beat out the WiiU for a distant 2nd place...and even that is not assured!

How exactly did the PS3 catch up to the 360.  Was it the multiple price drops.  Was it the removal of all of the initial components within the PS3 when it wasn't selling so good so Sony could drop the price.  Was it Sony retooling the PS3 to build it cheaper, so Sony could drop the price again.

Things do not have to play out the same as last gen but to ignore obvious facts last gen seems to be short sighted.  You sound like the people who were claim the PS3 was dead during those rough years for the PS3.  Sony made many price drops to get the PS3 to a price where consumers preceived the value as acceptable.  It only takes one screw up to turn momentum.  If not for the RROD with the 360 who knows what this gen would have looked like.  Nothing is set and this gen there will be plenty of opportunities for each company to make either smart or dumb moves.

OMG yes.  Sony dropped the price of the PS3, and MS is trying to with the X1 as well.  BUT, the reason the PS3's price could be dropped so fast is because of all the useless junk it had weighing it down (PS2 parts, Memory card readers, Expensive HDD's).  The fact is that the Xbox One (after kinect) doesn't really have much room for price reduction.  It could probably be made a lot smaller, but it still costs as much to make as the PS4.  If MS drops the price, Sony will too.

True, so instead of MS dropping the price outside of Kinect, they do the other type of price drop: Bundles.  As i mentioned, its the preceived accetable price that MS is trying to find.  Add games, bigger hard drive for the same default price usually is another way for a company to push sales.  Sony did that alot during the PS3 and its another point of how similar this gen and last but opposite.  I would not be surprise if MS work very hard to come out with some type of slim where they reduce the cost of components but instead of taking the profit, put that into a price drop to gain more sales like Sony did with the PS3 last gen.

Edit:  I personally do not believe Sony really needs to drop their prices if MS does.  Momentum does play a large role in sales and as long as Sony doesn't really screw up, they can ride their momentum and lead without a price drop until they see sales erode.



jnemesh said:

Forget it man, I am not arguing with you.  You believe what you want...obviously nothing I say is going to change your mind.

You know it goes both ways right.  You have an opinion and I have an opposite opinion.  You made your statement I made mine.  I never ever expected to change your opinion because no one every changes anyone opinion.  I just disagree with what you say and made my points to that fact.  Why you think you can post your opinion and everyone is just going to believe it is a mystery.



Actually if you look at the thread, there are many who agree with my posts.  Also, I wasn't just posting opinion, my opinions were backed up with facts.



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Machiavellian said:

Exactly what did the PS2 do better than the PS1.  It included better hardware but from there I really could not name any one feature it did better.  So yes progressing is natural but it can be one dimensional if you are the only game in town.  Here is what i like, Nintendo did not just go with more powerful hardware.  They tried to do soemthing totally different and add new experiences.  They took risk and was rewarded that gen.  Maybe its ok for you to only have one option but I rather there were more than one company defining this space.

@Bolded:  Not getting your point.  Have not all 3 console makers improved their online services.  Was this evolution or did competition make this happen??

So you are saying developer that went out of business was the result of competition between the consoles.  How exactly are you drawing this conclusion??

Spliting the market badly complicated everything, much easier and cost effective to code develop market and sale on one high market majority device then 3 different split personalities.  

Aint proof in the fact 3rd Ps dont even want to support 3 consoels right now, they cut most of it for the wiiu.  



Machiavellian said:

@Bolded:  Lets change that.  Do you think gamers would care if the PS3 launched at the same time as the 360 with that price.  Saying gamers would not care if it launch first means that they would have no option to pick something different.  I do not know about you but I like choice.  Its the reason I have a PS4 over the X1 because the PS4 was cheaper with the best performance and better looking games.

You forget something that killed the 360 momentum, RROD.  But thats another topic for another day.


Nope, it be a superior product costing more vs inferior costing less.  A mere choice we al face each and every day.  Nothing like the superior one costing less and inferior one costing more PS4 X1 debacle.  



BeElite said:
Machiavellian said:

@Bolded:  Lets change that.  Do you think gamers would care if the PS3 launched at the same time as the 360 with that price.  Saying gamers would not care if it launch first means that they would have no option to pick something different.  I do not know about you but I like choice.  Its the reason I have a PS4 over the X1 because the PS4 was cheaper with the best performance and better looking games.

You forget something that killed the 360 momentum, RROD.  But thats another topic for another day.


Nope, it be a superior product costing more vs inferior costing less.  A mere choice we al face each and every day.  Nothing like the superior one costing less and inferior one costing more PS4 X1 debacle.  

You say its superior but the perception at that time was not the reality.  If it was the superior product, Sony would never had to take out the PS2 Emotion chip, take out the extra USB ports, change the chrome premium look of the Fat to the black plastic on their revision.  Exactly how do you account for that if the product was so superior??



mornelithe said:
VanceIX said:
Competition is very good for consumers. If it weren't for the 360 being competitive with the PS3, the PS4 would be priced at $600 right now.

And the reason why there are so many games on all the platforms is that the platforms are almost completely identical architecture-wise, making it very easy to develop for one and release on the other.

PS2 may have had a great selection, but a lot of it was due to the disparity in console power/price. The architecture of all 3 consoles was significantly different, and the PS2 had much weaker hardware than the Xbox or GC, which led to devs not bothering with porting games for the most part to the other consoles. The PS2 was also significantly cheaper than the Xbox, and sold much more than the GC due to having a DVD player.

Eh?  I'm not sure that makes any sense, really.  Sony selling the PS4 at $600, would mean they're making an overwhelming profit on the hardware, versus the PS3 where they were selling both models at an overwhelming loss.  PSN vs XBL shows how competition helps though.

What I meann is that without the 360 the PS3 would have steamrolled the market, regardless to the price. This would mean Sony would have felt comfortable making another console that was a bit too innovative, and selling it at a higher price point. Nothing like the PS3 where they lost money, but if they managed to move a lot of untits @ $600, there is a very good chance that the PS4 would have been priced similarly.



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Machiavellian said:
BeElite said:
Machiavellian said:

@Bolded:  Lets change that.  Do you think gamers would care if the PS3 launched at the same time as the 360 with that price.  Saying gamers would not care if it launch first means that they would have no option to pick something different.  I do not know about you but I like choice.  Its the reason I have a PS4 over the X1 because the PS4 was cheaper with the best performance and better looking games.

You forget something that killed the 360 momentum, RROD.  But thats another topic for another day.


Nope, it be a superior product costing more vs inferior costing less.  A mere choice we al face each and every day.  Nothing like the superior one costing less and inferior one costing more PS4 X1 debacle.  

You say its superior but the perception at that time was not the reality.  If it was the superior product, Sony would never had to take out the PS2 Emotion chip, take out the extra USB ports, change the chrome premium look of the Fat to the black plastic on their revision.  Exactly how do you account for that if the product was so superior??


BR wifi more reliable hardware more powerfull tech more 1stp stronger brand name, you know the same things why PS3 sold more its 1st year then 360 did in its.  

Align release and PS3 out sales it each year, that shows superiority all you have is opinion.