So are you saying that things got shitty with the PS3 because of competition.  Man we must really see things totally different.  The way I see it, Sony worked harder during the PS3 where it became way more than what it started out with.  PSN improved a hundred folds.  Sony took indie developers more serious.  Many people consider the PS3/360/Wii Era to be one of the best in game selection, features of the console and services.

Everyone needs to QUIT using the PS3/360 battle as an example! It's a different game than it was 8 years ago! NONE of the advantages that the PS3 had last gen, that enabled them to catch up and eventually surpass the 360 have anything whatsoever to do with where the XB1 stands or where it's going in the future!

You can debate what happened last gen until you turn blue...but it's not going to play out the same way this time guys. There is ZERO chance of the XB1 EVER taking the lead this gen. In the US or globally. The BEST that they can hope for is that they beat out the WiiU for a distant 2nd place...and even that is not assured!

The PS3 was not over-priced, in fact it is a far better value than the PS4, for it's time.

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If you truly believe games don't sell consoles and that competition isn't good and hasn't done great things then I have no respect for your opinion. You are obviously not a real gamer with no real experience with games or knowledge of games in the past 34 years. Considering for the past 34 years those two things have been proven true over and over again.

All those are points on top of a high price.  No exclusives that really showed why you should pay either price over a 400 dollar 360.  360 multiplats performing better than the more expensive system.  It matter not if its 500 or 600, it was still more expensive then the competition.  You had the Wii at 300 hundred with the innovative mind share at the time and you had the 360 pop out games that played better at less money (exactly what we see today but opposite).

The key is that as it is today, unless the tech made games look and run better, gamers really did not care if it was using a Blu-ray drive, had 4 USB ports, PS2 backward compat and other crap.  The perceived value is the same as what we see with the X1.  Gamers do not care how much other crap you throw within a console as long as the end result is better games.

If there was any true leason Sony learned from the PS3 is that start with the hardware that make games look and perfrom great on your system first, then worry about that other stuff later.  For first adopters and momentum, games are still the motivation factor in purchases and a solid price.

I agree with point one.

ps4 is kicking ass in sales and I thing it's more commonly agreed that both xbox one and the wii u have larger libraries of quality titles. But hype will keep pushing the most popular thing forward for a long time........call of duty and it's success is a great example of what sells.

PS2 was a great improvement over PS and it did it after PS dominated.  PS3 was a massive improvement over PS2 and so on.  Improvement is a natural progression even with little to no competition.  

So your arguning aginast PS3s price yet an extra 50/60 a month (500 for the long as gen for services) is awesome addition to your arguemnt?

Wiis online sucked, PS3 was buggy and 360 cost an extra 500 for the consoles LT, just awesome right ?

Last gen Devs and publisher went out of business more so then well ever with the crash being the exception, and gaming on PS2 was best 7th gen does not even come close.  

Not even remotly true. Have you seen the games announced? Xb1 has the smallest library compared to Ps4 and WiiU. Xbox fans continually make that claim but its obvious they have done zero fact checking. The Ps4 current library has more AAA titles out now as well as in the works than Xb1, then if you look at indies it makes the differeance that much larger.

Who ever said it "is" what makes the industry better? Don't shift the goal posts. It can be competition and "a host of other things". I didn't say it is only competition that makes the industry better, nor did your OP.

But honestly, do you need a "study" to tell you competition is a good thing? I cannot imagine being a consumer and not knowing something so basic and fundamental.

Also no offense but the "non-forum gamers" you know sound pretty stupid, and who cares if they want all the games on their one console.