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Imaginedvl on 11 August 2014
Wazowski said:

i didn't know my credibity was at stake sorry...

EA:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/04/09/ea-voted-worst-company-in-america-again/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-08-ea-responds-to-fan-outcry-over-the-sims-4-missing-features

pre-order:

http://www.gog.com/thewitcher3/en

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/deals/dragon-age-inquisition-pre-orders-now-available-at-5-retailers-best-deal-is-20-off/

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/07/22/ps-store-play-2014-4-new-games-big-discounts/

 

sorry... this wasn't even necessary... but yeah you can flame all you want

lol seriously stop it.

Just taking Destiny as an exemple... And not one retailer with a specific deal for specific games... (Like you seem to call that a "majority")
Or one PS game and/OR PC deal like you linked... You imply that we can get the majority of games from the majority of retailers at 10%... Why are you listing 3 completly random (and not even on Xbox One) deals to prove your point?

Look, I just used my all mighty Internet Explorer to look at online stores:

Amazon (CA):
http://www.amazon.ca/Destiny-English-Only-Xbox-One/dp/B00CX9T598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407804078&sr=8-1&keywords=destiny

Nope...

EBGames / Gamestop:
http://www.ebgames.ca/xbox-one/games/destiny-with-exclusive-bonus/316932

Nope...

Futureshop:
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/bungie-destiny-xbox-one-destiny/10255658.aspx?path=63f53ca30941241f2410924e6db03d62en02

Nope...

US now?

Walmart:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Destiny-Xbox-One/25846149

Nope...

Amazon (US)
http://www.amazon.com/Destiny-PlayStation-4/dp/B00BGA9Y3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407804206&sr=8-1&keywords=destiny

Nope...

Even Target.com (US)
http://www.target.com/p/destiny-xbox-one/-/A-14640487#prodSlot=medium_1_3&term=destiny

Still nope...

Or Amazon, Walmart, Target, EBGames, GameStop, Futuresop are not part of the 99% stores you are talking about?



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Jazz2K on 11 August 2014
mornelithe said:
Jazz2K said:
Can people who say other publishers joining EA with the subscription would be bad for the industry explain themselves! Right now people seem to hate on it mainly because it's a X1 exclusive and/or that EA could potientialy remove their games from XBGold and PS+ and PS Now...

The escapist video is based on "what ifs" with unrealistic paranoia.

He explained it in the video?  Basically, EA doesn't deserve our trust, and if EA is successful, then you're also talking about an Ubisoft service, and an Activision service and any major publisher who thinks they can cash in on it.  Eventually, you're paying for PSN, XBL, Origin, Activision, Ubisoft etc...  ergo, paying several hundred in just subscription fees.

The video is about "what ifs" of really bad scenarios... he doesn't explains anything. 

Every year I pay for at least a game from every major publishers. Only the games I'm really interested to because it costs a lot. Even buying old games at 29.99$ like Mass Effect or Dragon Age is expensive. What I see now and "in the future" they'll offer games that I missed because I had to pay for other games at only 30$. This is right now and isn't a "trust" or "what if" bad scenario.



mornelithe on 11 August 2014
Jazz2K said:
mornelithe said:
Jazz2K said:
Can people who say other publishers joining EA with the subscription would be bad for the industry explain themselves! Right now people seem to hate on it mainly because it's a X1 exclusive and/or that EA could potientialy remove their games from XBGold and PS+ and PS Now...

The escapist video is based on "what ifs" with unrealistic paranoia.

He explained it in the video?  Basically, EA doesn't deserve our trust, and if EA is successful, then you're also talking about an Ubisoft service, and an Activision service and any major publisher who thinks they can cash in on it.  Eventually, you're paying for PSN, XBL, Origin, Activision, Ubisoft etc...  ergo, paying several hundred in just subscription fees.

The video is about "what ifs" of really bad scenarios... he doesn't explains anything. 

Every year I pay for at least a game from every major publishers. Only the games I'm really interested to because it costs a lot. Even buying old games at 29.99$ like Mass Effect or Dragon Age is expensive. What I see now and "in the future" they'll offer games that I missed because I had to pay for other games at only 30$. This is right now and isn't a "trust" or "what if" bad scenario.

That's great, if it works for you awesome.  It doesn't work for me, and I won't trust them with my money, plain and simple. 



IamAwsome on 11 August 2014
Jazz2K said:
Can people who say other publishers joining EA with the subscription would be bad for the industry explain themselves! Right now people seem to hate on it mainly because it's a X1 exclusive and/or that EA could potientialy remove their games from XBGold and PS+ and PS Now...

The escapist video is based on "what ifs" with unrealistic paranoia.

If EA Access is a success other publishers will do the same thing. In the future we will have subscription services for every publisher, and they will make life tough for those who don't subscribe. EA locking the new Madden demo behind the subscription is only the beginning. They could also offer exclusive DLC, huge discounts, and even whole games (though this is unlikely). It just seems like a method to nickel and dime consumers even more. 



Intrinsic on 11 August 2014
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal and WILL save me money, it is simple math...

I am sorry but your math is so wrong its border line silly.

First it only works if you only buy games from one publisher. But lets break your math down.....

Say you buy 15 games per year. And to help your case, say 5 of those games every year are from EA. 

  • 15 games a year = $900@$60/game
  • EA access @ $30/year
  • five EA games at $54 means that you save $30; so instead of spending $900 you spend $870. 
But hey... this is assuming that you actually buy 5 EA games every year. Now take a second and imagine what happens when you are also paying $30 yearly to 5 other publishers. And when these publishers start competing with eachother and putting more and more content behind that paywall. 

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Wazowski on 11 August 2014
Imaginedvl said:
Wazowski said:

i didn't know my credibity was at stake sorry...

EA:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/04/09/ea-voted-worst-company-in-america-again/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-08-ea-responds-to-fan-outcry-over-the-sims-4-missing-features

pre-order:

http://www.gog.com/thewitcher3/en

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/deals/dragon-age-inquisition-pre-orders-now-available-at-5-retailers-best-deal-is-20-off/

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/07/22/ps-store-play-2014-4-new-games-big-discounts/

 

sorry... this wasn't even necessary... but yeah you can flame all you want

lol seriously stop it.

Just taking Destiny as an exemple... And not one retailer with a specific deal for specific games... (Like you seem to call that a "majority")

you're funny i like you, but why with EAA you will get 10% from all publishers? Destiny is from EA? 

I really don't care, and seriously i wasn't stating facts that was very clear, the same way this video is not a fact, and you shouldn't be offended with someone disagrees with you..

But if reality showed us anything is that this publisher is not worthtrusting...the end



Jazz2K on 11 August 2014
Wazowski said:
Jazz2K said:
Can people who say other publishers joining EA with the subscription would be bad for the industry explain themselves! Right now people seem to hate on it mainly because it's a X1 exclusive and/or that EA could potientialy remove their games from XBGold and PS+ and PS Now...

The escapist video is based on "what ifs" with unrealistic paranoia.


well he explains why, simple: xbox live $60 + EAA $30 + Ubisoft (lets say $30) + if you have a ps4 too $60 = $180 yearly, remember this services is for old stuff they have, if you want a new game you will have to pay for it anyway.

"Oh but i have choices if i want the service or not" come tell me that when the exclusive content comes to the service only, or games that makes you subscribe, or even new games that comes first on the service, that's no doubt very fair for us consumers-.-

So will it be mandatory to subscribe to buy games at all? I already spend more than 180$ a year games wise and I buy a lot of second hand games... how on earth would this scenario be bad is beyond me.

Is it better to pay old games in a remaster/re-edition at 40$+ a piece or through a subscription from said publisher? Hey you want to beat that old game? Pay 5$, download it, beat it and don't renew it cost you 5$ instead of waiting for an expensive "remaster".



vivster on 11 August 2014

Looks like a lot of people haven't even watched the video. No one is arguing that it's not a good deal. Hell, even he as one of the most vocal EA haters says it is a good deal.

The problems are the implications of what could come if this business model becomes more popular. Suddenly every big publisher will have its own subscription service and they will start to lock even more content behind the paywall and chop up the games even more. And to appease the retailers with this clearly retailer hostile model they will chop up their games even more to give them to specific retailers exclusively.

It is a good deal but how many subscriptions that are based on trust will you want to have running?



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Imaginedvl on 11 August 2014
Intrinsic said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal and WILL save me money, it is simple math...

I am sorry but your math is so wrong its border line silly.

First it only works if you only buy games from one publisher. But lets break your math down.....

Say you buy 15 games per year. And to help your case, say 5 of those games every year are from EA. 

 

  • 15 games a year = $900@$60/game
  • EA access @ $30/year
  • five EA games at $54 means that you save $30; so instead of spending $900 you spend $870. 
But hey... this is assuming that you actually buy 5 EA games every year. Now take a second and imagine what happens when you are also paying $30 yearly to 5 other publishers. And when these publishers start competing with eachother and putting more and more content behind that paywall. 

 

Uh, dude please bash the EA Access all you want but what the hell is that?

5 games a year... (5... not 15...) = 300$ ... 10% of 300$ = 30$ (EA Access).

So with 5 games per year, you are already paying back your EA Access, have access to the Vault AND Early Access...

Now if you buy more than 5 games a year you are spending less money with EA Access... It IS simple math.



Imaginedvl on 11 August 2014
Wazowski said:
Imaginedvl said:
Wazowski said:

i didn't know my credibity was at stake sorry...

EA:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/04/09/ea-voted-worst-company-in-america-again/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-08-ea-responds-to-fan-outcry-over-the-sims-4-missing-features

pre-order:

http://www.gog.com/thewitcher3/en

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/deals/dragon-age-inquisition-pre-orders-now-available-at-5-retailers-best-deal-is-20-off/

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/07/22/ps-store-play-2014-4-new-games-big-discounts/

 

sorry... this wasn't even necessary... but yeah you can flame all you want

lol seriously stop it.

Just taking Destiny as an exemple... And not one retailer with a specific deal for specific games... (Like you seem to call that a "majority")

you're funny i like you, but why with EAA you will get 10% from all publishers? Destiny is from EA? 

I really don't care, and seriously i wasn't stating facts that was very clear, the same way this video is not a fact, and you shouldn't be offended with someone disagrees with you..

But if reality showed us anything is that this publisher is not worthtrusting...the end

Destiny is from Activision... Not from EA... Never said it was from EA... But it is a game and you pretended that we can preorder any games from 99% of the retailer at 10%... Destiny is one game (and one you can preorder from 100% of video game store). Please do not try to mix up things here.

Nobody is offended here :) Well maybe you seem to be but stop pointing finger just because you are saying random stuff like the 99% retailers pre-ordering at 10% and you have nothing to back this claim up.