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mornelithe on 11 August 2014
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal, it is simple math...

If you are not interrested into the vault and/or buying games just ignore the offer but stop pretending it is bad for others based on a lot of "what if" or "EA is not trustworty"...

Uh yeah, no.  Trust is earned, not given.  The video gave you numerous reasons why he thinks it's bad, you can disagree, that's fine, but I strongly disagree with your assertion that trust should just be given, especially after being shown they aren't trustworthy time and time again.  That having been said, if people want to buy into it, that's their right and I hope they enjoy it, but I'll be waiting for quite some time after launch to see what they do with it.



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plip.plop on 11 August 2014

I don't see a problem with it, it is voluntary not mandatory. if EA doesn't move the needle for you don't subscribe. $2.50 a month for access to to a library of games that will expand, and no content being removed (according to EA) works for me.
I have personally not subscribed yet, as I want to see how long it takes them to put new titles in the vault.
Hopefully other companies jump on this also since more competition will lower prices, and create better deals for the consumer.
I thought this was the thing most people wanted in terms of entertainment consumption. Isn't this one of the reasons most people have become cable cutters. For the longest time I wished cable companies offered a la carte subscriptions? To be able to pick out, and pay for the things that interest me, instead of being forced to buy a package, and end up with about 90% of channels I block, but still pay for.



Intrinsic on 11 August 2014
Jazz2K said:
Can people who say other publishers joining EA with the subscription would be bad for the industry explain themselves! Right now people seem to hate on it mainly because it's a X1 exclusive and/or that EA could potientialy remove their games from XBGold and PS+ and PS Now...

The escapist video is based on "what ifs" with unrealistic paranoia.

Its not rocket science.....

What EA is doing would be Ok if it was platform based not publisher based. eg. Say it was just another service you get cause you are already paying for the XBL service or the PS+ service. 

But as it stands, being publisher based, if its successful then expect activision, ubisoft, take 2...etc to follow suit. next thing you know we have a situation where things like demos, dlc and even game discounts are all behind a paywall and the consumer expected to subcribe to an ever increasing number of services to get the most out of all his/her content.

What EA has done, is basically look at PS+ and go, hey... we can do that too. make our own service, give out free games too, give out discounts too..etc and we can get the consumer t pay us instead of having to piggy back on the platform holders service.

If you don't see how this can ultimately become a bad thing then you are the ignorant consumer EA is hoping to take advantage of right now. Its notthat their service idea is bad, its just that its bad cause its on its own when it could just as easily been part of XBL. 



VanceIX on 11 August 2014

I think it's a good value, but long-term it could cause issues.



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Wazowski on 11 August 2014
Imaginedvl said:
Wazowski said:

Jazz2K said:


well he explains why, simple: xbox live $60 + EAA $30 + Ubisoft (lets say $30) + if you have a ps4 too $60 = $180 yearly, remember this services is for old stuff they have, if you want a new game you will have to pay for it anyway.

"Oh but i have choices if i want the service or not" come tell me that when the exclusive content comes to the service only, or games that makes you subscribe, or even new games that comes first on the service, that's no doubt very fair for us consumers-.-

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal and WILL save me money, it is simple math...

If you are not interrested into the vault and/or buying games just ignore the offer but stop pretending it is bad for others based on a lot of "what if" or "EA is not trustworty"...


But EA is not trustworthy-.- before this service happens 100% of people agreed, now what? sudendly is OK because yeah stuff?!

 you get 10% discount in 99% of pre-orders you make in almost every store

i can clearly see this as another way to get your money, and in the end you will be spending more money even if you think you're not..



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MoHasanie on 11 August 2014

No. And that's like saying PS+ is harming the industry which it obviously isn't.



    

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Imaginedvl on 11 August 2014
mornelithe said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal, it is simple math...

If you are not interrested into the vault and/or buying games just ignore the offer but stop pretending it is bad for others based on a lot of "what if" or "EA is not trustworty"...

Uh yeah, no.  Trust is earned, not given.  The video gave you numerous reasons why he thinks it's bad, you can disagree, that's fine, but I strongly disagree with your assertion that trust should just be given, especially after being shown they aren't trustworthy time and time again.  That having been said, if people want to buy into it, that's their right and I hope they enjoy it, but I'll be waiting for quite some time after launch to see what they do with it.

Never said trust should be a given. But quite franckly a lot of people are just "following" the wave and do not really understand why they should not trust EA or are using EA as a perfect exemple of an evil publisher while they are nothing different than any other publisher out there like Activision, Sony, Ubisoft etc...

My point is that this is a business and like any other business out there (Activision, Ubisoft, Sony, etc.) they are not evil in any way and they are not trying to ruins gamers' life.

Also regarding points made in the video, the guy pretended that competition between the big publishers (for this kind of service) will result in bad things basicaly... Yeah right, because usually competition results in bad things for the consumers? Nope... I can list here a lot of other exemple from this video. The guy is just talking about a lot of "what if bad" and nothing about "what if good" like only bad and evil things happens from publishers.



Imaginedvl on 11 August 2014
Wazowski said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal and WILL save me money, it is simple math...

If you are not interrested into the vault and/or buying games just ignore the offer but stop pretending it is bad for others based on a lot of "what if" or "EA is not trustworty"...


But EA is not trustworthy-.- before this service happens 100% of people agreed, now what? sudendly is OK because yeah stuff?!

 you get 10% discount in 99% of pre-orders you make in almost every store

i can clearly see this as another way to get your money, and in the end you will be spending more money even if you think you're not..

Are you real lol?

Congrats, you just destroyed your credibility with these 2 comments (underline).

And sorry but no again, simple math, I will not spend more money for sure, not with the number of games/DLC I'm usualy buying because in the world I live in, I cannot pre-order all my games with 10% discount from 99% of the retailers...

Just used my all mighty Internet Explorer to look at online stores:

Amazon (CA):
http://www.amazon.ca/Destiny-English-Only-Xbox-One/dp/B00CX9T598/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407804078&sr=8-1&keywords=destiny

Nope...

EBGames / Gamesto;:
http://www.ebgames.ca/xbox-one/games/destiny-with-exclusive-bonus/316932

Nope...

Futureshop:
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/bungie-destiny-xbox-one-destiny/10255658.aspx?path=63f53ca30941241f2410924e6db03d62en02

Nope...

US now?

Walmart:
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Destiny-Xbox-One/25846149

Nope...

Amazon (US)
http://www.amazon.com/Destiny-PlayStation-4/dp/B00BGA9Y3W/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1407804206&sr=8-1&keywords=destiny

Nope...

Even Target.com (US)
http://www.target.com/p/destiny-xbox-one/-/A-14640487#prodSlot=medium_1_3&term=destiny

Still nope...

Or Amazon, Walmart, Target, EBGames, GameStop, Futuresop are not part of the 99% stores you are talking about?



mornelithe on 11 August 2014
Imaginedvl said:
mornelithe said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal, it is simple math...

If you are not interrested into the vault and/or buying games just ignore the offer but stop pretending it is bad for others based on a lot of "what if" or "EA is not trustworty"...

Uh yeah, no.  Trust is earned, not given.  The video gave you numerous reasons why he thinks it's bad, you can disagree, that's fine, but I strongly disagree with your assertion that trust should just be given, especially after being shown they aren't trustworthy time and time again.  That having been said, if people want to buy into it, that's their right and I hope they enjoy it, but I'll be waiting for quite some time after launch to see what they do with it.

Never said trust should be a given. But quite franckly a lot of people are just "following" the wave and do not really understand why they should not trust EA or are using EA as a perfect exemple of an evil publisher while they are nothing different than any other publisher out there like Activision, Sony, Ubisoft etc...

My point is that this is a business and like any other business out there (Activision, Ubisoft, Sony, etc.) they are not evil in any way and they are not trying to ruins gamers' life.

Also regarding points made in the video, the guy pretended that competition between the big publishers (for this kind of service) will result in bad things basicaly... Yeah right, because usually competition results in bad things for the consumers? Nope... I can list here a lot of other exemple from this video. The guy is just talking about a lot of "what if bad" and nothing about "what if good" like only bad and evil things happens from publishers.

Because EA hasn't earned the right for people to be optimistic about their new revenue streams.  Sorry, you can disagree and that's fine.  But, I don't trust EA, Activision or Ubisoft any further than I can throw them.  And let's not pretend like they haven't already abused the system, by putting a demo behind the paywall.  That's the kinda shit that causes people to pause with concern.

Companies are out to make money, we have money, they want what's ours.  Plain and simple.  It's up to us to tell them this way is inappropriate, or that way is fine.  When we make no attempts to control the industry, we're simply condoning the things they do.



Wazowski on 11 August 2014
Imaginedvl said:
Wazowski said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yah because 10% discount of new games for people who buy 4 to 5 games per year is something everybody seem to ignore wgen they want to bash out EA Access over and over.

For someone like me (and many others) who buy more than 4/5 games from the big 3 (EA/Activision/Ubi) this is just a good deal and WILL save me money, it is simple math...

If you are not interrested into the vault and/or buying games just ignore the offer but stop pretending it is bad for others based on a lot of "what if" or "EA is not trustworty"...


But EA is not trustworthy-.- before this service happens 100% of people agreed, now what? sudendly is OK because yeah stuff?!

 you get 10% discount in 99% of pre-orders you make in almost every store

i can clearly see this as another way to get your money, and in the end you will be spending more money even if you think you're not..

Are you real lol?

Congrats, you just destroyed your credibility with these 2 comments (underline).

And sorry but no again, simple math, I will not spend more money for sure, not with the number of games/DLC I'm usualy buying because in the world I live in, I cannot pre-order all my games with 10% discount from 99% of the retailers...

 

i didn't know my credibity was at stake sorry...

EA:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/04/09/ea-voted-worst-company-in-america-again/

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-07-08-ea-responds-to-fan-outcry-over-the-sims-4-missing-features

pre-order:

http://www.gog.com/thewitcher3/en

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/deals/dragon-age-inquisition-pre-orders-now-available-at-5-retailers-best-deal-is-20-off/

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/07/22/ps-store-play-2014-4-new-games-big-discounts/

 

sorry... this wasn't even necessary... but yeah you can flame all you want