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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 29 July 2014
AnthonyW86 said:
PullusPardus said:
AnthonyW86 said:
''they're much closer to WiiU than you think''

Stopped reading right there.


Explain how thats not true?


To comment on the video, let me just quote ''we did not focus on power consumption''. If they did it would show something like this:

Power consumption GTX 480 card only:                       ~270 Watts

Power consumption Playstation 4 entire system:       ~135 Watts

That means just one GTX 480 consumes twice the amount of power as an entire Playstation 4 system. In other words if you would try to use a card like the GTX 480 in a console it would fry in minutes.





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petroleo on 29 July 2014

lol still comparing GPU only card to a gaming console.

"oh bu.. but.. this 5 year old video card can compare to todays next gen consoles ..right.. right?"

Yeah like if 5 years ago we have seen a game like Infamous SS, KZ shadowfall, the mayhem of Resogun. Tomb Raider DE game that looks the same as the PC version in ultra settings.





Locknuts on 29 July 2014
AnthonyW86 said:


To comment on the video, let me just quote ''we did not focus on power consumption''. If they did it would show something like this:

Power consumption GTX 480 card only:                       ~270 Watts

Power consumption Playstation 4 entire system:       ~135 Watts

That means just one GTX 480 consumes twice the amount of power as an entire Playstation 4 system. In other words if you would try to use a card like the GTX 480 in a console it would fry in minutes.

Wattages don't really matter in this context. The consoles aren't as powerful as they should be. I remember PC forums in 2005/2006 where people would be asking if they should get a 360 or a 7800 GTX (Nvidia's flagship GPU at the time) and be told that a 360 would give better performance!

Proof:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1017369

A PS4 is so far behind it's ridiculous. Nobody is comparing PS4 hardware to a GTX 780ti because that's not even a fair fight. Whereas comparing a 360 to a bleeding edge GPU was ok at the dawn of the last generation.

Despite the x86 architecture, I truly believe that only the best developers in the world (like ND) will be able to work the hardware to produce something that looks truly mindblowing.



XanderXT on 29 July 2014

I never understood those textures crap and anti analyzing stuff. Give me any good game and you will probably find me grounded by my parents for playing from dawn to dusk. Any will do. From The Last Of Us to Halo: Combat Evolved.



Nintentacle on 29 July 2014
Giggs_11 said:
maverick40 said:
PullusPardus said:

 

Okay this isn't "PC Is better" this is just how much "Next Gen" are "PS4/XB1" consoles are?

I am really tired of explaining how underpowered those two consoles are, you as a console gamer should not buy these consoles for their graphics (actually don't buy anything for graphics thats just stupid), because they are not really much technically advanced compared to PS3 / Xbox 360, and they're much closer to WiiU than you think, the difference is that Wii U doesn't use PC architecture so thats why porting it on there is hard (not really hard compared to PS3 but why make an effort when its so easier to port it on PS4/XB1) , This is why games like Arkham Knight are "next gen exclusive" it has NOTHING to do with "dumbed down for last gen" thats the most idiotic statement ever , its just that they don't want to bother porting them on PS3/Xbox 360 because those are "Hard" to port on, think of it like this , PS3 /360 is like re-writing a text file made on Notepad to re-publish it using a typewriter on paper , however on PS4/XB1 those consoles are made by the same thing the PC was made of, so instead of using a typewriter and publishing it on paper, you can just "copy" the whole text file and "paste" it on both consoles, INSTANT PROFIT ! , you can also try to persuade previous console owners that "ohhh this is next gen!" and they will just buy into it easily, and now you have a bigger cash cow filled with bullshit to conter the mobile phone market

Sony and Microsoft DID NOT MAKE THESE to be "next gen" they made them to be "Easier to develop on" to attract indie developers and mobile developers, they made it PC architect to make games easily ported from Steam to their consoles, arguing about how much more powerful one is to the other and then showing P.R bullshit said by Sony and Microsoft as an argument is just fucking stupid , no offense, they want you to warrant a purchase but you're not getting "Next Gen graphics!!!" you're getting "Easier to develop on" consoles, now you go on and talk about AAAAAAAA (infinite As) game development you don't really understand that AAA is what they are trying to AVOID here, as they are trying to lose less and earn more this time around, they're not trying to push game development at all, and thanks to PR bullshit you are getting sucked into the hype of "next gen" 

So make yourselves a favor and buy the consoles to play games not argue about graphics, and if you REALLY REAAAAAAAAAALLYY want to have "Dem graphix" (not worth it since most games that are released by big studios suck to be honest) then just get yourself a PC and enjoy wasting your money on crap like Watch Dogs. 

Nope, I wont get Uncharted 4 like graphics on PC. No studio on the planet like Naughty Dog. 

The holy grail of graphics Crytek will be finished in a few months so what will PC gamers boast with next? Skyrim mods?

Naughty Dog is so overrated! Yeah sure their games are great, but people tend to overrate their quality, especially graphic wise. I just started playing the 1st uncharted this weekend (yeah, i have the trilogy at home and never bothered to try it before). Although the game is good, it's nowhere near the expectations I had cuz of you sony fanboys overrating everything ND does. Graphically it's a bit of a letdown to be honest.

 

User was warned for this post - Viper.

Last gen, I'd say the majority of their games were rated (Not Uncharted 2).

But you shouldn't say thier games don't look great based off of Uncharted 1. Uncharted 2, 3, and The Last of Us look better.



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Avro1958 on 29 July 2014

So much fail in the OP... The WiiU is a great console but to say it's not far behind the PS4 or XB1 is just crazy speak!



overman1 on 29 July 2014
Giggs_11 said:
maverick40 said:
PullusPardus said:

 

Okay this isn't "PC Is better" this is just how much "Next Gen" are "PS4/XB1" consoles are?

I am really tired of explaining how underpowered those two consoles are, you as a console gamer should not buy these consoles for their graphics (actually don't buy anything for graphics thats just stupid), because they are not really much technically advanced compared to PS3 / Xbox 360, and they're much closer to WiiU than you think, the difference is that Wii U doesn't use PC architecture so thats why porting it on there is hard (not really hard compared to PS3 but why make an effort when its so easier to port it on PS4/XB1) , This is why games like Arkham Knight are "next gen exclusive" it has NOTHING to do with "dumbed down for last gen" thats the most idiotic statement ever , its just that they don't want to bother porting them on PS3/Xbox 360 because those are "Hard" to port on, think of it like this , PS3 /360 is like re-writing a text file made on Notepad to re-publish it using a typewriter on paper , however on PS4/XB1 those consoles are made by the same thing the PC was made of, so instead of using a typewriter and publishing it on paper, you can just "copy" the whole text file and "paste" it on both consoles, INSTANT PROFIT ! , you can also try to persuade previous console owners that "ohhh this is next gen!" and they will just buy into it easily, and now you have a bigger cash cow filled with bullshit to conter the mobile phone market

Sony and Microsoft DID NOT MAKE THESE to be "next gen" they made them to be "Easier to develop on" to attract indie developers and mobile developers, they made it PC architect to make games easily ported from Steam to their consoles, arguing about how much more powerful one is to the other and then showing P.R bullshit said by Sony and Microsoft as an argument is just fucking stupid , no offense, they want you to warrant a purchase but you're not getting "Next Gen graphics!!!" you're getting "Easier to develop on" consoles, now you go on and talk about AAAAAAAA (infinite As) game development you don't really understand that AAA is what they are trying to AVOID here, as they are trying to lose less and earn more this time around, they're not trying to push game development at all, and thanks to PR bullshit you are getting sucked into the hype of "next gen" 

So make yourselves a favor and buy the consoles to play games not argue about graphics, and if you REALLY REAAAAAAAAAALLYY want to have "Dem graphix" (not worth it since most games that are released by big studios suck to be honest) then just get yourself a PC and enjoy wasting your money on crap like Watch Dogs. 

Nope, I wont get Uncharted 4 like graphics on PC. No studio on the planet like Naughty Dog. 

The holy grail of graphics Crytek will be finished in a few months so what will PC gamers boast with next? Skyrim mods?

Naughty Dog is so overrated! Yeah sure their games are great, but people tend to overrate their quality, especially graphic wise. I just started playing the 1st uncharted this weekend (yeah, i have the trilogy at home and never bothered to try it before). Although the game is good, it's nowhere near the expectations I had cuz of you sony fanboys overrating everything ND does. Graphically it's a bit of a letdown to be honest.

 

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The first Uncharted was the worst....



PullusPardus on 29 July 2014
overman1 said:

The first Uncharted was the worst....


What about Uncharted 3? , I think Uncharted 1 is a lot better than that , it has pretty nice soundtrack too, best soundtrack is 2 though, and I don't really remember the one on the vita.



NickK on 29 July 2014

It is very funny how fanboys think that ps4 and xbox1 is super superior to ps3 and x360 while the truth is that is not a big leap! And yes WiiU is really close to these two.



Egann on 30 July 2014
errorpwns said:
Egann said:
PC is more powerful than consoles...if you pay more than twice as much on hardware twice as often.


Twice as much twice as often? Now that's a downright lie.


To get a PC which is notably more powerful than a console now you will pay about $600 to $800 for it. You *might* be able to shave it down to the PS4's $400 if you buy the components yourself as cheaply as possible and spend a few hours building it yourself. As consoles are an off-the shelf product, that counts as a hidden cost of PC's.

Comparing apples to apples, however, pre-built gaming rigs notably more potent to consoles cost $800, usually over $1000.

The recommended lifetime for PC hardware, however, is 3 years for intense applications, 5 for less so. In practice, that means replacing that PC tower mid-cycle (or replacing everything in it; again, hidden time cost) to keep a cutting-edge system. Less powerful PC's which aren't that different from consoles can easily last a whole console cycle. 

Now, in all fairness a lot of that hardware cost will come back with software savings on Steam, but bleeding edge hardware will cost twice as much twice as often. Otherwise it's not notably different from a console (either in price or performance) and it's basically about if you prefer a controller or a QWERTY keyboard and mouse.