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Experimental42 said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Experimental42 said:

You also don't need to want a single PS4 exclusive to justify buying a PS4 as a console gamer. You can easily justify buying a PS4 for Watch Dogs, CoD, Destiny, etc. If you bought an XB1 just for Watch Dogs, CoD, Destiny, etc., you can't really justify it without just looking stupid.

Really? Ever heard of thing called friends?

We're assuming all things being equal here.

When is anything ever equal? There are many factors into buying a system and games are only one part of it. It might be a very big part, but friends, controller, online, UI, familiarity and trust also matter. So yeah if most of my friends were going to play Destiny, Watch Dogs or Call of Duty on XBO over PS4, then I, and I'm sure many other, would get the XBO instead.

Anyways, that's my two cents.



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Experimental42 said:

http://plebegaming.wordpress.com/2014/07/22/third-party-games-dont-sell-xb1-consoles/

For all the flak people give Nintendo's lack of third party support, it's the XB1 that's got it the worst. If they're going to take second place from Nintendo, it will have to be on the backs of its first party exclusive titles, and I just don't see that happening.

One thing don't justified the other!

The reasons why Xbox one are not selling that great are different for the WiiU's.

Plus WiiU is on the market one year and half.Xone is only half!

-Xone had HUGE PR problems and similar competitor that was cheaper,more powerful,have good PR and hype.

Thus,third parties aren't enough to save Xone.

WiiU,on the other hand, is a underpower machine that was released with lack of third parties AND first party games(the big one at least) and It was designed for the "Wii public" that now is on Smartphones and tablets.The third parties got worse,making people stay with PS3/X360 or jump to the PS4/Xone, and althought the first party games are coming,this isn't enough to control the drought.

Thus,first parties aren't enough to save WiiU.

This generation is set to be like the 5º and 6º.With PS4 been the mainstream one and WiiU/Xone been the niche machines that people will remember with notalgia in the future(like N64 and OG xbox).



TheGoldenBoy said:
Experimental42 said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Experimental42 said:

You also don't need to want a single PS4 exclusive to justify buying a PS4 as a console gamer. You can easily justify buying a PS4 for Watch Dogs, CoD, Destiny, etc. If you bought an XB1 just for Watch Dogs, CoD, Destiny, etc., you can't really justify it without just looking stupid.

Really? Ever heard of thing called friends?

We're assuming all things being equal here.

When is anything ever equal? There are many factors into buying a system and games are only one part of it. It might be a very big part, but friends, controller, online, UI, familiarity and trust also matter. So yeah if most of my friends were going to play Destiny, Watch Dogs or Call of Duty on XBO over PS4, then I, and I'm sure many other, would get the XBO instead.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

We were using a mental exercise to illustrate why third party multiplats are vastly overrated for the XB1.

That said, the odds are better that your friends have a PS4 over an XB1, and the odds are extremely low that you're friends with someone who bought an XB1 and have no intention of buying a first party title from MS.



Played Star Wars Battlefront 2 with my nephew on PS2 two days ago. If I would have known then that, because it looks better on XBox, it is NOT a selling point for PS2, I would have stopped playing right there :).

The vast majority of people that buys games don't care about a difference in resolution that you see if you have two 60" TVs and compare the games side-by-side. Ofcourse 3rd party games is a huge selling point for X1.



OttoniBastos said:

Thus,first parties aren't enough to save WiiU.

This is possibly the worst time to be claiming that. Mario Kart seems to have increased baseline sales to ~60k as it's still seliing in that range over a month after MK8's release. Public opinion of the machine has changed greatly because of MK8 and the exclusives they showed at E3. At the moment, Nintendo has possibly the most impressive holiday lineup this holiday season. They've also been showing a complete mastery of marketing for Smash, their biggest holiday title.

Then there's the amiibo. Even if you don't like it and it doesn't take off as it looks like it's going to, it can still do one thing. It can renew interest in Mario Kart 8, essentially giving it a second release due to people wanting to see how amiibo affects it.



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Puppyroach said:
Played Star Wars Battlefront 2 with my nephew on PS2 two days ago. If I would have known then that, because it looks better on XBox, it is NOT a selling point for PS2, I would have stopped playing right there :).

The vast majority of people that buys games don't care about a difference in resolution that you see if you have two 60" TVs and compare the games side-by-side. Ofcourse 3rd party games is a huge selling point for X1.


Congratulations on missing the entire point.



The problem is Ps 4 has is superior hardware but the Wii U has 1st Party Triple A Games that is well known while XBox 1 well.....Stilll can't wait for Halo!!



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Experimental42 said:
OttoniBastos said:
 

Thus,first parties aren't enough to save WiiU.

This is possibly the worst time to be claiming that. Mario Kart seems to have increased baseline sales to ~60k as it's still seliing in that range over a month after MK8's release. Public opinion of the machine has changed greatly because of MK8 and the exclusives they showed at E3. At the moment, Nintendo has possibly the most impressive holiday lineup this holiday season. They've also been showing a complete mastery of marketing for Smash, their biggest holiday title.

Then there's the amiibo. Even if you don't like it and it doesn't take off as it looks like it's going to, it can still do one thing. It can renew interest in Mario Kart 8, essentially giving it a second release due to people wanting to see how amiibo affects it.


no it isn't! 50k baseline is not good! The only reason why people are happy with this is because WiiU was even worse!(30k last year)

If mario kart that is the biggest release this year on WiiU didn't make it sell 100k/week,do you really think Hyrule warrior or bayonetta will do?

Smash brothers will be released first on 3ds so don't count with this too.



OttoniBastos said:


no it isn't! 50k baseline is not good! The only reason why people are happy with this is because WiiU was even worse!(30k last year)

If mario kart that is the biggest release this year on WiiU didn't make it sell 100k/week,do you really think Hyrule warrior or bayonetta will do?

Smash brothers will be released first on 3ds so don't count with this too.

There's no need to be Captain Obvious. Of course 60k per week isn't going gangbusters, but look at it how it is. A "dead" console that Nintendo "should move on to its next console" from has doubled its baseline with a single game, and is currently in better shape than Microsoft's XB1 even after it's $100 price drop. If you were expecting a sudden 100k baseline from a single game you were a fool. Hyrule Warriors and Bayonetta likely won't be massive successes, but they will be good for the system. Bayonetta will likely sell a disproportionately large amount of systems for its sales numbers too, simply because of the audience it attracts.

You don't write a system off as "not saved" until it's current, gigantic upward trend stops. You should probably hold off on that assumption until the Wii U is technically fully released, as the NFC portion of the machine, there since the beginning, hasn't even been released yet. The amiibo is a potential miracle worker. It has a massive almost completely untapped market, can add 10-15 dollars to what a person would pay for a game traditionally, and can reignite MK8 sales.

I'm not saying any of this will happen, I'm just saying come down from the podium with your doom crying until it's an appropriate time.

 

Also, a lot of people seem to be misinterprating what I'm saying. I'm not saying third party games will not sell on XB1. I'm saying nobody will buy an XB1 exclusively for third party multiplats as they would for the PS4. If you have to preface your argument with, "people will settle for lower quality multiplats if they get (insert first party exclusive here)" then it wasn't the third party games selling the player on the system, it was the first party game, and you've proven my point. I'm not flaming here, I'm just pointing out an obvious and observable trend that a large majority of people seem to be overlooking, as seen by the backlash and defensiveness of many people on this topic.



Playstation has the biggest sales of 3rd parties now.

Tides are turning. The shoe is on the other foot. # Im bored.