I agree, Nintendo should stay at the worst, 20 mil below ps4 on the home console front.

Yep. Leaves room for the other big 2 to duke it out in a healthy environment.

The Gamecube and N64 don't look so bad now heh :D

nintendo will never be leader without Casuals

What you're saying can basically summarized with "the console makers need to stop trying to all go after the same audience", has nothing to do with Nintendo in particular.

Wii was successful because it gathered the casuals, the others weren't affected by the Wii because they had totally different audiences. And the 360 and PS3 could basically co exist the way they did because of Sonys blunders.

Now you have Nintendo going after the Nintendo core, which is also a mostly different audience then the PS4 and X1 audience, it's just way smaller then the casual audience of the Wii. PS4 and X1 are still going after the same audience, only this time the already weaker Xbox brand had all the blunders, while the PS4 had smooth sailing.

So believe it or not, the Xbox's and PS's sales have nothing to do with Nintendos success or lack thereof.

I love Nintendo, but I'll be honest it's not a good thing if they were the industry leader.

They're like that good friend of yours who turns ugly when he drinks too much.

Nintendo gets too arrogant when they are no.1. Go back and watch E3 2008 and focusing on Wii Music for half the show and then Reggie telling everyone that Animal Crossing for the holidays was good enough for the core players.

They started holding off on localizing things like Xenoblade, Last Story, etc., refused to expand the Wii's internal storage (just delete the fridge), etc. because casuals wouldn't care, so why bother. Operation Rainfall had to happen.

The trick for Nintendo that they've never figured out how to do is to be a solid no.2 with a console userbase of 40-50 million. They have no one to really blame but themselves for the Wii U in that regard, they had a year head start and ample resources to make a good console, but opted to play the "lets bet everything on the controller gimmick" gamble and got burned for it this time.

Last gen having all three consoles do well didn't have anything really to do with Nintendo, it was Sony that got their sh*t together by 2007 or so and started to make inroads, so they should be given credit for making adjustments after starting slow and successfully salvaging what could've been a really bad generation for them.

You have to realize he also believes wii u will outsell ps4.

I think people is confused with their feelings. I know for some must be hard to see how good is Nintendo as the leader and not Sony, but the fact is that with or without gimmicks or casuals the industry was healthier.

The Wii audience was casual? Yes, and after that many of those casuals bought another console for COD, AC, Battelfield or whatever you like to name. It was a win-win situation for everyone.

The days of NES/SNES dominance were more beautiful than anything you can possibly imagine.

What are you talking about? They are still arrogant believing we need to understand droughts, giving us unambitious games and delaying the few games. They are still arrogant about 3rd party devs. Fatal Frame has been announced days ago and no word on localization.