In the long term a traditional console left them with the GameCube. And it was bad. Wii U tried more than a gimmicky tablet to be a traditional controller with a screen in the middle.

The height of the Wii craze was a bit too ridiculous though. At least now we are getting a real (global) release for things like Xenoblade, they are trying to pick up titles like Bayonetta 2, and they probably will get around to a unified account system soon. Fatal Frame is pretty much a lock to come here to the West too simply because Nintendo can't be passing up on software anymore and there's a Hollywood movie coming. 

From a consumer POV, desperate Nintendo is honestly a lot better. Last E3 was their best in ages. They would never try that hard if they were doing well. 

Nintendo's just not cut out to be the market leader. Like I said, they get drunk on their own success and pretty much always get too arrogant. They don't listen to or understand industry trends either. 

Sony is much more level headed of a company as much as I hate to say it. They listen to feedback from consumers, are mindful of third parties, and just do things in a more straight forward fashion. 

Nintendo's goal should be to be a strong no.2, but they pretty much screwed that up this gen already. 

Motion is in everything... but how many game use it? And how much good did it do for the wii at the end that prompted them to jump ship and jump start the 8th gen?

OP:

No.. nintendo shouldn't be the leader. Especially if by leader you are suggesting that everyone else will do better. I tend to look at the console war as a very unnecesary platform war. Very much like blu-ray vs hddvd or vhs vs betamax. We do not need 3 consoles on the market, I don't even feel we need two though it having at least two helps keep the other guy honest. Think about it, wouldn't everyone be so much happier if there as just one console and everyone released games for it? Sony games, MS games and nintendo games all on one console.

And at least half, if not more, of PS3 and 360 sales are from the casual audience and RROD/YLOD replacements. It's a two way street. It doesn't matter what way you try to cut it, the 7th gen belonged to the Wii.

Terrible argument with a truly horrendous motivation behind it.

Nintendo hasn't done (consoles):

- A MMO (nevermind a truly great one)
- A Pokemon RPG even though it's so fucking obvious.
- A realistic racing game
- a realistic fps (they've hardly done fps)
- realistic adventure games
- adult themed games in significant quantities (come at me all you want, you know it's true)
- etc.
- etc.

Look at Nintendo's software output the last 10 years. Look at the model they've followed for their consoles (underpowered, small and gimicky).

No my friends, there are good reasons why Nintendo's popularity has waned.

And sell less consoles? Less money? A saturation on games?

You clearly had no idea.

I wouldn't say it needs to be the leader necessarily, but the VG industry in general needs Nintendo to be here

And how this has to do with the thread? Not making a Pokemon RPG for homeconsoles is a valip point for not being the leader?

If it was as easy as this they would have developed and waited to see consoles flying.

I know they were arrogant. They didn't develop a real Paper Mario, just ported the GC one, or left Zelda until 2011 believing it wasn't necessary since TP 2006 release.

But they also handled better the Wii than the Wii U. At this rate on Wii you were playing Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros, Super Paper Mario and many others. On Wii U the big guns are Pikmin 3, NSMBU, 3DWorld, DK and Mario Kart.

Op this thread is so flawed. With your logic on sales then nes/snes era was worse than the ps1/ps2 era. Whomp whomp