Not deserve. But I realize only through a head start can Xbox gain enough ground to hold its own. That is not the case this gen. And with your Europe comment, your right. With Europe not doing us any favours and MS not making the effort as you say, we have no delusions that Xbox One will take 1st. Get it?

Wait what? Where did I say that?^^
Though it would make this war a lot more fun if the losing side would cling to their last straws of hope.

You're just saying this to take away the fun from us. Because it's no fun to mock someone who admitted defeat.

Yes.

It's even laughable suggesting MS deserves any kind of credit for rushing a product into the market that -to put it mildly- did not fall within expected fail rates of the consumer electronics industry and should have been revoked.

And of course making up a date for the PS3 surpassing the Xbox 360 in LTD sales. Chartz puts this early 2013, in accordance with official Sony claims that the PS3 had in fact shipped more consoles than the 360.

The PS3 surpassed the 360 way before the 7th gen consoles were released and it was selling better (WW) throughout its life time.

I'm not confident that you really speak for all Xbox fans.

Regardless, the ironic thing here, at least for me, is that I find the Xbox One to be far more appealing than the 360. It's going to have more exclusives, with more variety, rather than just a handful of big titles. It's going to have actual value for its subscription plan. It has vastly improved management and focus.

Last gen, I didn't like the vibe I got from Xbox. It seemed to me that they just regarded gamers as stepping stones to the living room. I remember one of the guys in charge of the original Xbox talking about how there were two factions involved at Microsoft: those who wanted a gaming console first and those who wanted it to be a portal device. I felt like that latter group was in control, at least during the Kinect period and the Xbox One creation period.

So, yeah, if the Xbox One keeps improving, it's not something that will make me unhappy, it's something that will make me interested.

Why is this happening, though? Because the Xbox One isn't in first place. Gamers, including 360 owners, telling Microsoft that they wouldn't be taken for granted is a crucial moment in Xbox history. Be glad that the Xbox One is in second because, had it come out of the gates in first place, it would have been horrible for Xbox gamers and for the industry in general.

Saying the XBO needs to be saved is an obvious exaggeration. Kind of like how people keep saying the PS4 has no games. This is the console wars my friend.

Okay if that's the question, I'd say no. From what I've read in the forums here, I havn't seen many Xbox fans claim that the Xbox will claim 1st place in the console race.

And I'm done. Good day.

(Looks at console sales for last gen)...umm, what last gen last place sting?...Oh, you're one of the "360 came 2nd last gen" crew...(oh boy face)...To answer your question, I don't think anyone can reasonably think the X1 stands a chance against the PS4 (anywhere outside the US).

But does the PS4 fans think that the XB1 fans believe that the WiiU fans are under the impression that the PS4 fans have come to the conclusion that the XB1 fans are wondering what the WiiU fans are thinking?

I think thats the question on all of our minds right now...

Do PS fans think some X1 fans believe the X1 will rise to first.... The answer is yes. We need only observe the fact people make predictions about X1 overtaking PS4 all the time.