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Meh, I won't be buying any of them most likely, besides The Last of Us. (Subject to Change)



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VanceIX said:

He means PS3 era, since he wants the PS4 to appeal to those who skipped last generation.

And from what I got out of it, he wants a Disney-like model, in which the content and look is the same, but post-editing is done to the content to get it up to standards. A lot of people refer to that as Disney "re-imagining" their movies, but they really aren't. In this case, I think re-imagining is just a softer word for remastering.

Re-imagining would be more like building the game again from scratch.

I think you've already come to your conclusion and are using it to fill in the holes of the theory. Not saying the conclusion is wrong, just that you're being a little premature in deciding that the OP means "we are going to take ps3 games bring them up to 1080/60 and rerelease them".



theprof00 said:
VanceIX said:

He means PS3 era, since he wants the PS4 to appeal to those who skipped last generation.

And from what I got out of it, he wants a Disney-like model, in which the content and look is the same, but post-editing is done to the content to get it up to standards. A lot of people refer to that as Disney "re-imagining" their movies, but they really aren't. In this case, I think re-imagining is just a softer word for remastering.

Re-imagining would be more like building the game again from scratch.

I think you've already come to your conclusion and are using it to fill in the holes of the theory. Not saying the conclusion is wrong, just that you're being a little premature in deciding that the OP means "we are going to take ps3 games bring them up to 1080/60 and rerelease them".

Hm? That's not all I think a remaster is. Textures get updated, and lighting gets upgraded, but yeah, it's essentially a re-release, with the same basic engine. Is that bad? No, since remasters are cheap to make and bring in easy profit. But that is the fundamental definition of a remaster.

Now, a remake is building a game for the current platform from the ground up. It's much more expensive, and the risk is much, much higher than a remaster.

I believe there will be a lot more remasters than remakes overall for that reason.



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VanceIX said:

Hm? That's not all I think a remaster is. Textures get updated, and lighting gets upgraded, but yeah, it's essentially a re-release, with the same basic engine. Is that bad? No, since remasters are cheap to make and bring in easy profit. But that is the fundamental definition of a remaster.

Now, a remake is building a game for the current platform from the ground up. It's much more expensive, and the risk is much, much higher than a remaster.

I believe there will be a lot more remasters than remakes overall for that reason.

Not arguing what's good or bad, just what the facts are.

And yes, I believe there will be more remasters than remakes. Just want it to be highlighted that remakes do in fact happen at least a few times a year, for whatever reason.

Secondly, it's only natural that a new gen will see 'ports'. The same thing happened last gen, and the gen before it.

However, one main difference though with Disney, is their "vault" strategy. Disney doesn't just remaster. That's only 50% of the strategy. I don't see how Sony could successfully complete the disney strategy currently, so it's kind of dumb for them to use Dis as an example.



theprof00 said:
VanceIX said:

Hm? That's not all I think a remaster is. Textures get updated, and lighting gets upgraded, but yeah, it's essentially a re-release, with the same basic engine. Is that bad? No, since remasters are cheap to make and bring in easy profit. But that is the fundamental definition of a remaster.

Now, a remake is building a game for the current platform from the ground up. It's much more expensive, and the risk is much, much higher than a remaster.

I believe there will be a lot more remasters than remakes overall for that reason.

Not arguing what's good or bad, just what the facts are.

And yes, I believe there will be more remasters than remakes. Just want it to be highlighted that remakes do in fact happen at least a few times a year, for whatever reason.

Secondly, it's only natural that a new gen will see 'ports'. The same thing happened last gen, and the gen before it.

However, one main difference though with Disney, is their "vault" strategy. Disney doesn't just remaster. That's only 50% of the strategy. I don't see how Sony could successfully complete the disney strategy currently, so it's kind of dumb for them to use Dis as an example.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm against remasters/ports/whatever. I'm not. I was just pointing out that there will be a lot more remasters than remakes, that's all. I'm fine with that.

Also, I'm not the one using this as an example, so I'm not sure why you're telling me that my example is dumb. The CEO of SCE used Disney as an example, not me.



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VanceIX said:
theprof00 said:
VanceIX said:

Hm? That's not all I think a remaster is. Textures get updated, and lighting gets upgraded, but yeah, it's essentially a re-release, with the same basic engine. Is that bad? No, since remasters are cheap to make and bring in easy profit. But that is the fundamental definition of a remaster.

Now, a remake is building a game for the current platform from the ground up. It's much more expensive, and the risk is much, much higher than a remaster.

I believe there will be a lot more remasters than remakes overall for that reason.

Not arguing what's good or bad, just what the facts are.

And yes, I believe there will be more remasters than remakes. Just want it to be highlighted that remakes do in fact happen at least a few times a year, for whatever reason.

Secondly, it's only natural that a new gen will see 'ports'. The same thing happened last gen, and the gen before it.

However, one main difference though with Disney, is their "vault" strategy. Disney doesn't just remaster. That's only 50% of the strategy. I don't see how Sony could successfully complete the disney strategy currently, so it's kind of dumb for them to use Dis as an example.

You seem to be under the impression that I'm against remasters/ports/whatever. I'm not. I was just pointing out that there will be a lot more remasters than remakes, that's all. I'm fine with that.

Also, I'm not the one using this as an example, so I'm not sure why you're telling me that my example is dumb. The CEO of SCE used Disney as an example, not me.

No, I do not seem to be under that impression. What is your reasoning? I'm just stating that you left a part out that you've now included. For others who read your post, it is important that they read all the facts. It was just a small mistake, an innocent omission. Look back at your first two responses to me starting with the one quoting the OP's source. You also said "re-imagining is just a softer word for re-mastering".

Look I'm not trying to paint anyone here in any light. I'm simply writing exactly what happened. You made a point. You omitted a part that I felt important. You then included it. Now you're saying your whole argument is that you included it. I'm saying you missed it, and I agreed with everything except for the omission, and that now that you've included it, I completely agree. lol It's silly. There's no reason for you to try to clarify. I'm not under any impression.

Lastly, what is with this persecution complex lol? I said very clearly "I don't see how Sony could successfully complete the disney strategy currently, so it's kind of dumb FOR THEM to use Dis as an example". I know you didn't use it. I read the article.

Let this be the end of it. We both agree that there will be more remasters than remakes, and that source is not distinctly about TLOU, and that this is most likely about ps3 games (since absolutely nobody skipped the ps2 gen, so say the sales :D).

We agree on everything. Done! :D



I wouldn't panic too much.

(1)- Remasters DO get exposure to many players who never had the chance to play the best PS3 games due to owning a 360 in Gen7 (this is obviously most true in the US/UK, I expect much poorer sales of remastered PS3 titles in Europe/Asia).

(2)- Remasters are DRASTICALLY less resource-intensive to put out. In that way, they should have little to no effect on taking up dev time vs. new Gen8 original titles. They can be done with skeleton teams, require almost zero creative/direction input (same music, same plot, same design, etc). Mostly it's porting the thing over to a new engine, slapping new paint on it (higher resolution textures, bumping the settings up, etc), and you're good to go. When you have multiple PS3 titles using similar or identical engines, that means that after doing the first remaster, future remasters are even easier.

All that said, I'm not alone in not being super enthused about remasters. GTAV, Halo MCC, TLOU:HD, etc are even lower on the totem pole of excitement as new cross-gen games.

The real show begins when the fully fleshed out mid-to-late-gen gen8 originals come out from the best devs.



theprof00 said:

No, I do not seem to be under that impression. What is your reasoning? I'm just stating that you left a part out that you've now included. For others who read your post, it is important that they read all the facts. It was just a small mistake, an innocent omission. Look back at your first two responses to me starting with the one quoting the OP's source. You also said "re-imagining is just a softer word for re-mastering".

Look I'm not trying to paint anyone here in any light. I'm simply writing exactly what happened. You made a point. You omitted a part that I felt important. You then included it. Now you're saying your whole argument is that you included it. I'm saying you missed it, and I agreed with everything except for the omission, and that now that you've included it, I completely agree. lol It's silly. There's no reason for you to try to clarify. I'm not under any impression.

Lastly, what is with this persecution complex lol? I said very clearly "I don't see how Sony could successfully complete the disney strategy currently, so it's kind of dumb FOR THEM to use Dis as an example". I know you didn't use it. I read the article.

Let this be the end of it. We both agree that there will be more remasters than remakes, and that source is not distinctly about TLOU, and that this is most likely about ps3 games (since absolutely nobody skipped the ps2 gen, so say the sales :D).

We agree on everything. Done! :D

Works for me, sorry for any confusion I guess.

I'm pretty tired of arguing about this topic anyway, lol



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RealGamingExpert said:
AZWification said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
I guess theres no point in me buying a ps4 then since all the games are gonna be ports anyways

The Last Guardian is not going to be a port..

Yeah but that game wont ever release so...

My theory is The Last Guardian is  not being made for the  PS4  , they have decided to make it for the PS2 and then have two remastered versions for PS3/PS4  ,that way they are catering to their present new and older audience .

While this is bordering on near genius it would have been real genius  If they had made it for the PS1 , yes I understand the benefits of using the sotc engine,  but if they went PS1 they could have put it on not just 3 consoles but all of their platforms and even gone dare I say it 4K.



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Yeah, to hell with fresh and new games!

They better remaster BF4 and COD GHOSTS for next gen and charge us full price for it!