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Pavolink said:
KungKras said:

What Zelda cycle?


The one where you hate the last Zelda game released and starts to appreciate the small details of the ones released before.

Ah, that thing..... that I've never experienced in my life.



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Pavolink said:
KungKras said:

What Zelda cycle?


The one where you hate the last Zelda game released and starts to appreciate the small details of the ones released before.


I don't hate Skyward Sword, I don't hate any Zelda games(Except PH, but I don't like to count that game)

I moderately dislike skyward sword's flaws. I loved everything it did good though. 



Clyde32 said:
Pavolink said:

Melee was good because FE characters?

2. I was wrong, I mean one of the main villians of LOZ.


No, but the first game wasn't good because it didn't have fire emblem characters.

 

Not saying the first game wasn't good, I'm just turning it around. The greatness of the game didn't come from the game not having fire emblem characters.

No, the first one was good because people recognize majority of characters and each one was unique.



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KungKras said:
Pavolink said:
KungKras said:

What Zelda cycle?


The one where you hate the last Zelda game released and starts to appreciate the small details of the ones released before.

Ah, that thing..... that I've never experienced in my life.

Congratulations.

I, on the other side, was one of those that didn't liked the new ones and loved the ones released before. Of course that stoped with Skyward Sword as I learned to appreciate each one to the point of understanding that every Zelda I have played is good and not to overreact to the point of say one sucks donkey balls.



Proud to be the first cool Nintendo fan ever

Number ONE Zelda fan in the Universe

DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

Predictions for Nintendo NX and Mobile


Pavolink said:
Clyde32 said:
Pavolink said:

Melee was good because FE characters?

2. I was wrong, I mean one of the main villians of LOZ.


No, but the first game wasn't good because it didn't have fire emblem characters.

 

Not saying the first game wasn't good, I'm just turning it around. The greatness of the game didn't come from the game not having fire emblem characters.

No, the first one was good because people recognize majority of characters and each one was unique.


So you are calling these new characters irrelevant because no one recognizes them?

Let's think about this for a second. Earthbound didn't gain popularity until later in it's life. (Can't present decent sales figures because VGChartz doesn't have them) Yet we still got ness, and people loved him. 

The thing is, people may not recognize these characters now, but they will recognize them later, and they will love playing as them. That's literally how all fire emblem characters are. You are upset because you don't have any personal gain because all you love is zelda. You need to open your mind and put it into perspective. Smash Bros is a huge marketing strategy.



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Clyde32 said:


So you are calling these new characters irrelevant because no one recognizes them?

Let's think about this for a second. Earthbound didn't gain popularity until later in it's life. (Can't present decent sales figures because VGChartz doesn't have them) Yet we still got ness, and people loved him. 

The thing is, people may not recognize these characters now, but they will recognize them later, and they will love playing as them. That's literally how all fire emblem characters are. You are upset because you don't have any personal gain because all you love is zelda. You need to open your mind and put it into perspective. Smash Bros is a huge marketing strategy.

No?

I liked to play as Ness despite not knowing him. Or as Kirby.

Playing as these two new characters is like playing as Ike or Marth. If you are going to brought unknown characters at least make them different. For example Ice Climbers.



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Number ONE Zelda fan in the Universe

DKCTF didn't move consoles

Prediction: No Zelda HD for Wii U, quietly moved to the succesor

Predictions for Nintendo NX and Mobile


Pavolink said:
Clyde32 said:


So you are calling these new characters irrelevant because no one recognizes them?

Let's think about this for a second. Earthbound didn't gain popularity until later in it's life. (Can't present decent sales figures because VGChartz doesn't have them) Yet we still got ness, and people loved him. 

The thing is, people may not recognize these characters now, but they will recognize them later, and they will love playing as them. That's literally how all fire emblem characters are. You are upset because you don't have any personal gain because all you love is zelda. You need to open your mind and put it into perspective. Smash Bros is a huge marketing strategy.

No?

I liked to play as Ness despite not knowing him. Or as Kirby.

Playing as these two new characters is like playing as Ike or Marth. If you are going to brought unknown characters at least make them different. For example Ice Climbers.

Thank you for helping my argument @bolded

...Dude, have you even seen the trailer? Sure Lucina is a lot like Marth, but Robin is nothing like the two. He could be a unique character in his own right.



All this talk about who's important or whatever, that's not even the purpose of the game. The game wouldn't be as interesting if it weren't for all these characters from lesser known franchises mixed in. And 4 characters from FE does sound like a lot, but if you count how many characters have already been revealed, you could see that the roster is already quite large and still has a few characters to go before it's done.



Pavolink said:
KungKras said:
Pavolink said:
KungKras said:

What Zelda cycle?


The one where you hate the last Zelda game released and starts to appreciate the small details of the ones released before.

Ah, that thing..... that I've never experienced in my life.

Congratulations.

I, on the other side, was one of those that didn't liked the new ones and loved the ones released before. Of course that stoped with Skyward Sword as I learned to appreciate each one to the point of understanding that every Zelda I have played is good and not to overreact to the point of say one sucks donkey balls.

It's almost like people react to things differently. Which BTW renders words like Zelda-cycle misleading and useless.



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RealGamingExpert said:
JWeinCom said:


It's not just a matter of how much each franchise is represented, but it's also about what makes sense for each franchise.


Take Metroid for instance.  Sure it's a pretty big franchise, but it is not a franchise with a lot of characters.  The franchise (at least the good entries) is about isolation and slow solitary exploration.  Next to no dialogue and very indirect storytelling.  So, the franchise may be a big one, but representation doesn't make sense.

Fire Emblem on the other hand has tons of memorable characters with well defined traits and personalities.  There are far more possible representatives from this franchise, so I'm fine with more reps from that game.  My only complaint would be the focus on Fire Emblem Awakening.  I'd have rather had them take Robin from awakening and have added Erika from sacred stones or something. 

And lol at Ice Climbers being iconic.

Of course! The Fire Emblem Characters seem to a have similar moveset though, so i dont really see the point in 4 characters.

I personally thing zelda should have much more characters like midna or ghirahim, because they could give them unique movesets.

Ice Climbers arent really well known, but they became part of smash bros. for me! I'd be surprised if they arent back!


Marth and Ike didn't play similarly in Smash, and Robin looks to be unique from both of them focusing on magic.  Lucina and Marth are the only ones who are similar, but they likely did that to squeeze in another character without having to do a ton of work.